how is this not a goal?

Question

http://www.nhl.com/nhl/app?service=page&page=FrozenMoment....it was in the sabres vs. devils game last night...when they looked at the replay miller's hand went behind the goal line but the stupid refs dropped the puck to quickly for them to go upstairs and review it.......it should have been 4-2 instead of 3-2 with that goal

someone said the link dosn't work so here it is again....http://www.nhl.com/nhl/app?service=page&page=FrozenMoment

Answer 1

"We all said something right away, that they should go upstairs, but they were threatening delay of game," Scott Gomez said.

Makes a lot of sense. Oh well, Devs won. And Sabres fans are really annoying.

Answer 2

It looks like you're right. The puck was probably completely over the goal line inside of Miller's glove. It should have been a goal.

With that in mind, let me ask you this: If you were on the ice, officiating that game, having to watch 11 players, a goal, a goal crease, and a puck, and there was a flick of the wrist that was faster than 1/10 of a second and you *were not sure* that the puck was completely over the line, would you award a goal? If the puck was in the goalie's mitt and you couldn't see the puck, you'd more than likely assume that it was saved. You'd direct your linesman to drop the puck in the zone because that's what is normal for that situation. Calling a goal is going to cause a HUGE uproar from any and everybody wearing a Buffalo jersey, and from most hockey fans in general.

Here's something else to consider: Maybe the puck was completely caught in the glove before it entered the goal. The momentum pushed the glove back. By rule, it is in the goaltender's possession when it enters the glove. It looks to me as though there was a player for the Devils close by, so we all know that Miller would not be dumb enough to play the puck. It is safely, and properly, assumed that Miller will freeze the puck for a faceoff. At the time he secures the puck, the referee decides that the play is dead. That is the moment the play dies, not when the whistle is blown. If the whistle is blown a split-second later, that's just too bad.

Watching plays in slow-motion can always make things look better or worse than they really are. They can also eliminate judgment of a situation or eliminate the timing of an incident. When an official sees something, judgment and timing are taken into account when he makes his decision. The video replay watches the goal, not the inner workings and decisions of the referee watching the play.

If you don't agree with the idea that the play is dead when the official decides its dead rather than when the whistle is blown, then you'll need to do something to get yourself on the committees that write the rules and the casebooks covering specific incidents such as this very thing. The rules and judgments covering this type of situation are very clear: the play is dead when the official decides it's dead, and thus there was no goal.

Answer 3

It did indeed look like a goal, and the refs screwed up there. That said, Madden's goal to tie the game wasn't a goal. Miller clearly had frozen the puck and was in complete control, but the refs didn't blow the whistle. I think they should have someone up top watching the cameras above the net and let them have a say in real-time, and I think there should be the no feet in the crease rule again. I'm tired of seeing goalies run into so hard that the net comes off the posts, and it being called a goal.

Answer 4

It is a very tough call to make and if you want to go to a goal review every time the call is close the game is going to take forever. And there has to be indisputable video proof that the entire puck crossed the line. With the puck in the goalies glove I don't know if an overhead shot (the best for determining if a puck crosses the line) would be able to show definitive indisputable evidence that it was completely over the line.

Answer 5

Being a die hard Devils fan, I was mad at that call. The players were asking the refs to review it, but the ref dropped the puck too quickly. He didnt give the players and coaches enough time to react. It should have been 4 to 2, but luckily, the Devils won anyway.

Answer 6

the sabres got cheated in tht game. the devils first goal was a load of bull because miller had the puck under his glove and the whistle should of blown. the ref was rihgt next to the net when it happened. devils suk. go sabres.
To awnser ur question, the puck was not completly over the goal line when miller caught the puck.

Answer 7

yes that looks like a goal to me.but once the refs drop the puck they can't go up stairs unless upstairs calls down and stops the play which never really happens but its in the rule books.

ill never forget Brett Hull's foot in the crease goal which shouldn't of counted, it was in the rule book if a players skate was in the crease before the puck entered it would be no goal and his foot was in the crease for like 5 seconds before the he grabbed the puck and shoot it in the net. and they started to celebrate and the refs did nothing to stop it and the refs that reffed the game said a few weeks later that they should of gone up stairs and with what they saw the goal would of been disallowed. but the foot in the crease rule is no longer a rule.


GO HABS GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Answer 8

If the referee's were not sure of the play, with all that
was going on, then they should have stopped play for a
review. If the puck crossed the line, which apparently it
did, from the momentum of the shot, it still counts.

Answer 9

That pic makes it really hard to say if it was or not. Bad angle, would need a pic from like above the net to better see where his glove is. Now in the end the Devils won so it doesn't matter I guess.

Answer 10

You just answered your own question. It was not a goal because they dropped the puck right after that happened thus they couldn't change it or go upstairs.