Why do people with "Libertarian" values not like the idea that the US gave Iraq to Iranian clerics?

Question

Iraq proves many things. One is that the Libertarian ideals of a "free market" and no social programs, privatizing the infrastructure and leaving the land to be governed by those who own it, is all a vast mistake.

This is why Fukayama flip flopped and these people should wake up to the implications of thier beliefs as applied in the US.

Socialism is the People's political belief and you can compare Venezuelan citizen's joy to the misery of free market values applied to Iraqis (misery). You decide.

Answer 1

Mind you that Venezuela isn't exactly the best place to live. http://hdr.undp.org/hdr2006/statistics/countries/country_fact_sheets/cty_fs_VEN.html

When you consider libertarians, remember you have two categories. Ideal libertarians are the ones that believe in complete and utter equality of opportunity in a mechanical sense. These are the guys that say the government should exist for only National Defense and Civil Order. They also believe that if an organization happens to monopolize an industry or sector of safety, then so be it, that's human nature.

You also have pragmatic libertarians who believe in genuine dynamic equality and recognize that coercive institutions should be utilized as tools rather than erected as statues. If an organization manages to acquire and monopolize all of the residence zoned land in a city so it can build and charge whatever rents it wants, is that really equal?

Libertarians mostly want to get out of Iraq because we feel that the government is using our tax dollars ineffectively for a mission that was poorly defined. We approve of removing Saddam Hussein and the objective of providing general stability and democracy, but we also believe that we have been there for over a year too long and that Iraq is becoming a mess.

Socialism isn't any better because it still believes in using coercive institutions for the progressive improvement of civil liberties and freedoms. Any institution which is used to externally distribute rights, privileges, or resources does not offer citizens the chance to get along and try things out on their own. Socialism believes that some citizens are guaranteed to be better at managing a society's resources and rights and that they should be forced to manage everybody's resources and rights. The problem is that socialism ignores the potential of corruption since those managers would prefer to work for themselves and their friends instead of everybody around.

Answer 2

This is not a surprise. The fact that Saudi Arabia is a major source of fighters has been reported for quite some time. I have not heard of the Libyan connection before. Considering the close ties the Saudi's have to the Bush regime and the recent contracts given Halliburton for development in Libya and the Carlyle groups role in providing capital for development of the oil industry in Libya is it any wonder that they are not amonst the 'evil ones' ?