Is anyone else getting tired of people who have apprently never taken a civics class asking about impeachment?

Question

Here are the facts: Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution of the United States states "The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

Our system of government is not a British-style parliamentary system in which a vote of no confidence triggers general elections. If all 535 Congresspeople decided unanimously that they despised the President and wanted him gone, they STILL could not impeach and remove him unless he committed a high crime or misdemeanor.

Sorry to burst your bubble leftists, but President Bush will remain the president until January 20, 2009.

True Patriot: As much as it grinds the Left, words have actual definitions. No crime has been committed. Take your own advice, Che-ette.

ash: copious amounts of bovine excrement.

plt susan: Incorrect. That same Constitution with which the left seems so unacquainted states in Article III, Section 3 "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."

Once again, words actually have *gasp* definitions.

leftist1234: You're incorrect. If a law is duly passed by Congress and signed into law by the President, it is assumed to be constitutional. Further, NOTHING is unconstitutional unless SCOTUS says it is. If 5 justices hold the USA PATRIOT Act to be unconstitutional, it is invalidated as of that day. It does not follow that those congresspeople who voted for its passage or the administration which enforced it are guikty of anything ither than doing their jobs.

jl jack: As I've pointed outr ad nauseam, words have actual definitions. Let's pretend for a moment that tthe President lied (laughable, I know, but let's pretend anyways). Unless he was under oath at the time, no crime was committed.

Answer 1

There you go again confusing liberals for people that use facts to make their decisions and govern their lives. Liberals hate Bush, they FEEL he should be out of office. Liberals let their emotions dominate their intellect, their lives, their decisions and let the facts be damned.

Answer 2

If Clinton can be impeached for a knob job, or more precisely lying about a knob job, which was his only crime, I'm pretty sure President Bush has at least committed a misdemeanor. He has disregarded the constitution and lied to the American people over and over. For the sake of argument let's say he hasn't. Shouldn't he resign for being so wrong so often? I always hear the republicans are big on personal responsibility, let him set the standard by being the first to take that responsibility. He reminds me of CEO's collecting millions for driving down the price of their own stock. Rewarding failure is not a good policy in government or business.

Answer 3

The articles of impeachment do have to stipulate something, but I agree it would be real shaky grounds on this one. Of course I did not think banging an Intern in an Oval Office Hallway made the grade either or we would have Impeached many more than half of them.

Let's face it, Bush is, in fact, going to finish out his term, so live with it. I don't like it, but a fact is a fact.

The misdemeanor part is troubling though, since it is very vague. High crimes is much more specific. With that clause in there, I am sure if 535 members of congress agreed they could find SOME grounds for the Impeachment Articles.

Just my 2 cents. Oh, and Impeachment does not mean removal from office (yes, you know that, but there are a whole lot of others who don't get it).

The House sort of acts like a grand jury, and hands down an indictment. The Senate is the jury and can remove based on that indictment. Impeachment does not mean removal from office.

-Dio (yeah I took Civics)

Answer 4

You must have slept through the Clinton Impeachment, right.
Republicans knew they did not have the votes in the Senate, they went ahead any way. Your own words.
"United States states "The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."
Bush has taken this country to war with lies told Congress and the people. Bush has wasted billions in Iraq. Bush's crimes caused the death of 3089 service members in Iraq. And you see no "high crime"? Bush was warned about Sept. 11th. and did nothing to stop it. Still you see no "high crimes".

Answer 5

Actually, a crime was committed. We're in violation of the UN Charter, which we signed and is a treaty. Treaties have constitutional level significance and the President, is responsible as the Commander in Chief who ordered troops to war in the first place.

Apparently, civics class isn't enough...

Edit: Regarding wiretaps... you can't legally pass an unconstitutional law. If it's determined that the Patriot Act is in violation of the constitution (and it likely is) and it can be shown that those instituting the program knew that it was in opposition to the constitution (which there is evidence of) then the Patriot Act won't shield the administration.

The United States Constitution is the law of the land. The only way to change it is to amend it.

...and you neo-con fascists say we didn't take civics courses? Lame...

Answer 6

So you're saying if the House of Representatives adopted articles of impeachment against the president for treason, then the Senate found him guilty of his Iraq fiasco treasonous blunder, then he could be removed, huh? DUH!

Maybe you should educate the right-winger in a previous question who thought FDR was elected to a third term, simply because it was during WWII.

Answer 7

Bush and Cheney have commited high Crimes and Misdemeanors. Especially if Cheney knew that the Iraq/Niger Uranium document was a forgery and Bush included it in the STU before the Iraq war.

I'm tired of neo-cons that read and hear everything through Limbaugh's eyes and ears.

Answer 8

It could be (successfully) argued that he has committed treason involving us in a civil war by lying to us in order to get the go ahead. Also, there is a possibility that he could be linked to war crimes, although no public proof has been established of that.

Answer 9

Its not worth the time and effort to persue something against this administration right now...by the time it got done he would be long gone anyway. What we need to do is to stop the bickering and get some done for America...something this administration has not done for the past 6yrs!! The Democratic Congress has done more good for this nation in their first 100 hours than this administration has done in the past 6 friggin yrs!!! History will show how much wrong you did when you voted for this idiot!

Answer 10

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Answer 11

read it again or take reading classes "or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors." Invading under false pretense is a high crime. wiretapping without a warrent "or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors. "or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors." just becuase you dont see it all does nnot mean it's there.