Do you think that Isreal has the right to exsist?

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I don't. I think that the Jew's should have there own state though. It seems to me like no logic was involved in making the choice to give the Jew's land that already belonged to others. Trying to justify it by saying it is there home land doesn't do it for me. That's like another country deciding that "native americans" should get the U.S.A back. All the reasons for the jews to have a state in a different location are there, but anyone who thinks anything else besides "Isreal has the right to exist" is seen as evil. To me it makes most sense to give the Jew's part of Germany seeing as though the Germans are the ones who massacered them and made it that the Jew's needed thier own state. If not part of Germany, then part of Alaksa, one of the Hawain Islands, or some other state. Since Isreal's creation there has been nothing but violence and war in the middle east. Now, of course I don't support the violence or Iran on what seems to be there answer to the problem, but I can understand

the hatred the palastinians feel toward the Jews and America. I just truely cannot understand how people defend Isreal. Isreal is often aggressive and starts trouble and I can understand there need to be on the offensive but when the answer to all the violence and hatred is right in front of our eye's, idk...

The only reason Isreal has lasted is because of U.S. support. Without it, it surely would have fallen a long time ago, just like it did before.

haha, omg thanks yout for proving my point, "
if it was up to me YOU would not exist. hate is the easiest and cheapest thing to sell. that is why you will never have any power beyond asking anti-Semitic questions." first off, by saying that you wish I dind't exist, isn't that hatefull? You know nothing about me... Second, thankyou for proving my point. Everytime someone says something bad about Isreal they are all of a sudden an evil or bad person. I'm sorry, but I am niether. I simply don't think that the Jew's country should be located where it is, just look at all the trouble it has caused. I already listed places a new state could be created. I think any of those locations would make for a much better and peacfull Isreal. You know what is funny? I have jewish ancestory in my family and I think this. I am against violence 100% and this is why I think Isreal should be moved.

To the person below the person I was refering to the message above this. What are you talking about... that is dangerous thinking... I am pretty sure i made it clear that the Jew's should have thier own home state.

Answer 1

The way it exists today ,by kicking out of the land people who lived there for centuries,by occupying other people lands,by attacking every country who has something to say against Israel's policies,no...
I don't think that the Jews are entitled to a homeland,just because of the Holocaust and I don't think that the reason that their ancestors lived there 2000 years ago is valid...You said it,"That's like another country deciding that "native americans" should get the U.S.A back.".And more,by this principle let's give the gypsies too a homeland,'cos they were victims of Holocaust too(a few millions of them dies back then)...It's wrong for a religion to have its own country...and more there is no place we could find to create a country for someone.One way or another they would have occupied someone's land...And probably the same thing would have happen...It was wrong to create Israel in Palestine,as it would be wrong to create it in another place...

kehkohjon he didn't put the problem of whether Jews have the right to exist or not,everyone has the right to exist,so this is not what we discuss here...We are talking about the right to exist of a country,a country that by its existence it's denying the existence of millions of people...

Answer 2

Israel has the right to exist as long as it can hold it's territory. do they get help and support frm the US? Sure. And their enemies got help and support from other country's too. Check your history - Israel's military record is pretty impressive.

Israel is no different than any other country. It has a right to exist because no one has ben strong enough to say otherwise.

PS: You state that since Israel's creation there has been nothing but war and violence in the Middle East. Are you implying that prior to Israel's creation there wasn't war and violence? Are you implying that if Israel ceased to exist the war and violence would stop? I think we can agree that both of those statements are false.

You may want to read the book "The Case for Israel". I didn't agree with all of the author's arguments, but he makes some interesting points.

ADDITION: I just read the other responses, and frankly I think people are out of line calling you a racist. One can debate the philisophical and ethical question of whether it was right for the international community to creat the _modern_ state of Israel in what had once been the Bristish Mandate of Palestine, without attacking the right of Jews as a people, or Judiasm as a religion, to exist. There seem to be a lot of poorly thought out personal attacks here, and for that I offer you my condolances.

Answer 3

You're right the Jews should not have their own state. They really shouldn't exist at all. If America did not bring them home another nation would have. According to the prophecy, which I quote below Israel would be brought home. You're leaving God out of the picture as if you don't believe in him. Here a man wrote of the coming home of Israel long before it took place. Perhaps you should consider the God he worships.


Jeremiah 16:14-15 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society



14 "However, the days are coming," declares the LORD, "when men will no longer say, 'As surely as the LORD lives, who brought the Israelites up out of Egypt,' 15 but they will say, 'As surely as the LORD lives, who brought the Israelites up out of the land of the north and out of all the countries where he had banished them.' For I will restore them to the land I gave their forefathers.

Answer 4

i imagine whoever can better effective assert themselves has the right to exist thus. If the Palestinians style a cohesive team and attempt to expel the Jews it really is cool. yet for now they're backwards. They declare to have a hardship-loose enemy yet are unable to get previous their very personal inner petty subject matters to both decide on their subject matters with the Jews or strive against the Jews. so that they lose because they're inept at this element in time.

Answer 5

I think you're being a wee bit short sighted here... Jews have been living there for well over 3,000 years (remember the guy named Jesus, about 2,000 years ago? He was born, lived and died as a Jew, he was not a "Christian;" the term, "Christian" was coined about 150-200 years later; Rome had invaded and conquered Israel, but JEWS were living there well before the arrival of the Roman conquerers, and before the Muslim invaders... who now occupy about 640 times more land in their combined countries, that's more than 50 to 1 times the land mass of Israel).

By the way... who is the "decider" of whether Jews have or don't the "right" to exist as a nation? The same one who "decides" whether YOU have a right to exist? OR are you referring to the rodeo clown in the White House, the self-proclaimed, "Decider" (Congress quickly cleared up that mistaken notion).

What do you mean "give" Jews..? WHO does the "giving"? WHO decides what to give, when and where and how much or how little?

OK, how about American Blacks? How about Mexicans (hey, they were here before most so-called Americans), how about Native Americans who were here for many centuries before Euopeans stumbled upon these lands... ?

Well, I'm just going by your supposed "logic" of "giving...." and how about Puerto Ricans when the USA invaded the island and appropriated the island against their will and converted PR into a base of military activity without asking Puerto Ricans...? How about the devastated and polluted and contaminated lands they left in Puerto Rico and Vieques? What do we give them...? since you're "giving"... !

Isn't it GREAT to "give" away what AIN'T yours?

Look at your Bible, read the Old Testament. That has been THEIR land for quite some time (an estimated 1700 centures before JC's time)... so, WHY should they have to give away anything? How about getting rid of those squatters that took it from them and murdered and pillages... and caused them to scatter to the four corners of the world in order that they might survive as a people? How's that?

OR, how about letting them work it out peacefully, in the first place? As soon as the State of Israel was formed, everybody in the surrounding area wanted to take away something from them... but it was nothing but barren land before, overrun by goats and chickens and dirt...and weeds! Let them work it out amongst themselves without any agitation from outsiders (like the government of Iran, OUR sworn enemy).

You are not aware of certain strategical points... like the fact that we NEED friends and allies in that part of the world for defensive military purposes that are really beyond your understanding. Speak to someone in military uniform with a few strips on his/her shoulders... you might learn something.

EDITED: Tinkerbell05, the fact that there are quotation marks should lead you to understand the sarcasm of the statements made. Read my 2nd paragraph again. Best wishes.

Answer 6

fyi- it is NOT because of the US that Israel is still in existence- Israel can hold its own BELIEVE ME! who do you think taught american pilots to fly as well as they do? ever heard of the Yom Kippur war? "jews" as you so loftly call an ancient culture have just as much right to exist as its CHILDREN yes CHILDREN religions of christianity and islam. where do you think these religions come from? it just so happens they are so similar?? no.

and to the person saying native americans shouldnt get their country back- Hell yes they should! they were here first. whether it was 100 years ago or 2,000 years ago!

and it wasnt just Germans who were at fault for the Holocaust just was it wasnt just Jews who were masacred in the Holocaust. it was a dark period in our history for the entire world, not just europe. and why is it so bad to give Jewish people their homeland? without it, Jesus wouldnt have had a birth place.

look more wars more people have died in the "name of GD" than the right to land - land is just dirt- we came from dirt and we will go back to dirt. what does it really matter who sleeps where?

Answer 7

Our right to exist--have you ever heard of such a thing? Would it enter the mind of any Briton or Frenchman, Belgian or Dutchman, Hungarian or Bulgarian, Russian or American, to request for its people recognition of its right to exist? Mr. Speaker: We were granted our right to exist by the God of our fathers at the glimmer of the dawn of human civilization four thousand years ago. Hence, the Jewish people have an historic, eternal and inalienable right to exist in this land, Eretz Israel, the land of our forefathers. We need nobody's recognition in asserting this inalienable right. And for this inalienable right, which has been sanctified in Jewish blood from generation to generation, we have paid a price unexampled in the annals of nations. Mr. Speaker: From the Knesset of Israel, I say to the world, our very existence per se is our right to exist!

Menachem Begin to the Knesset upon assuming the premiership in 1977
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"All people of goodwill should simply apply the same principles of morality and justice to the Jewish state of Israel that they do to other states and peoples. If they would only apply a single standard, the case for Israel would largely make itself... Judged by any rational standard, Israel deserves the support -- although certainly not the uncritical support -- of all people of goodwill who value peace, justice, fairness, and self-determination."
2003 Alan Dershowitz
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"As to the rightful owners of particular pieces of property, Israel's founders -- like the homesteaders in the American West -- earned ownership to the land by developing it. They arrived in a desolate, sparsely populated region and drained the swamps, irrigated the desert, grew crops and built cities. They introduced industry, libraries, hospitals, art galleries, universities -- and the concept of individual rights.

Only Israel has a moral right to establish a government in the area [presumably Israel-Palestine] -- on the grounds, not of some ethnic or religious heritage, but of a secular, rational principle. Only a state based on political and economic freedom has moral legitimacy."
2001 Yaron Brook and Peter Schwartz
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"It was not, obviously, an arbitrary act when the League of Nations with the concurrence of fifty-two of the leading nations of the world and with the formal approval of the United States recognized the Jewish claim to establish a national home in Palestine [the Balfour Declaration]. It is not the single fact that the Jews once occupied Palestine, but a whole complex of facts that makes the Jewish claim acceptable to the international conscience."
1947 Esco Foundation
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Answer 8

If my mind serves me correctly, Palestine butted into Israel's terroritory first and now Israel has the guns to take back what is theirs. I don't see why Israel doesn't deserve to exist. If anything, Palestine should be happy that Israel hasn't completely erased them from the face of the earth.

Answer 9

They do have every and all rights to exist. They ARE God's CHOSEN people. Regardless of what they do they are still his chosen ppl.

Answer 10

if it was up to me YOU would not exist. hate is the easiest and cheapest thing to sell. that is why you will never have any power beyond asking anti-Semitic questions.