I am a christian AND I believe in evolution.
Theistic evolution, to be exact. IOW, I believe that God created us through evolution.
Evolution theory does not say that there is or isn't a God, or Gods. In fact, it doesn't address the question at all, and leaves open either possibility.
You are absolutely right, however. Science has not, nor could it, prove that God exists or does not exist.
Therefore, to answer your question, we evolutionists can and do say that there is or isn't a God, depending on our views, for the same reason that anybody else states their views.
It is a choice, based on faith.
If God wanted us to believe scientific evidence for His existence, He would have given us some. God wants faith.
Personally, I see evidence of God every day, wherever I look. But that isn't scientific evidence. Please note the qualifier.
2007-02-02 05:51:50
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answered by elchistoso69 5
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it is not for the unbeliever to prove god. Note the following famous example of the celestial teapot put forward by Bertrand Russel:
"If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense. If, however, the existence of such a teapot were affirmed in ancient books, taught as the sacred truth every Sunday, and instilled into the minds of children at school, hesitation to believe in its existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter to the attentions of the psychiatrist in an enlightened age or of the Inquisitor in an earlier time."
Copied of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot
Besides a lot of people claim that the universe could not have been created by the big bang because it is just too improbable. I dont think that the answer to this lies in a creator who is more improbable (he must be pretty complex to create the universe?)
I would recommend reading the god delusion by Richard Dawkins if you want this question answered in more detail. Although it is a bit biased it is a very good book
2007-02-02 15:08:43
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answered by Niall I 1
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The reason people are not answering your question is because it is incoherent. (And I'm NOT talking about your grammar ... if your question made sense, I don't care about grammar.)
To start with, you seem to be confusing the word "evolutionist" with "athiest". They are not the same thing.
Then you wrote: "obviously we evolved a retard could tell us that much"
That makes you an "evolutionist."
But at the same time it illustrates why the word "evolutionist" is silly. If evolution is so "obvious" that "a retard could tell us that much" ... then calling someone an "evolutionist" is like calling them a "gravityist" for believing in gravity.
As for how I can say there is or isn't a God ... I CAN'T say. Science can neither prove nor disprove the existence of a supernatural power.
And neither can you.
So nobody can figure out who you are asking this question to.
It is a hostile, incoherent question, asked to nobody in particular ... and you wonder why we don't answer.
2007-02-02 10:33:22
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answered by secretsauce 7
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If I understood what you were trying to ask I would attempt a sensible answer. However, your question is so badly written as to be near incomprehensible.
Evolutionary theories are not about disproving the existence of God, they are just attempts to prove what a load of hogwash parts of the Bible are. I do not deny the existence of God, just the Man-made version most religions thrust at me.
If you can see that we have evolved from something else then what is your question about. Whatever proof people come up with (funda)MENTAL(ist) Christians will try to tell us that our souls are in mortal danger because we do not believe that God created the Universe and all it contains in six days. So be it! I would rather be in Hell in the company of wise men than share Heaven with fools.
Pray for me God-Squad.
By the way, "retard", could be construed as offensive. Why not improve your usage by using the phrase, "people with severe learning difficulties",
1) It is more politically correct.
2) It upsets your opponents more than "retard", because you have bothered to think more about their abilities.
2007-02-02 11:05:12
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answered by djoldgeezer 7
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Well, it is badly written, so people will continue to comment on the writing.
Evolution, like any science, does not make any claim on gods, Easter Bunnies, Santa's or any other supernatural claim.
It simply deals with the evidence.
I know a lot of people who understand evolution and believe in some god. Ken Miller wrote a good book called "Finding Darwin's God" that explains the point of view, commonly called 'theistic evolution'.
2007-02-03 01:43:57
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answered by RjKardo 3
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It is completely up to the Creationists to prove that there is a God. Scientists have proven that evolution is a fact. They don't have to strengthen their case by trying to prove that God does not exist.
I do understand that there are evolutionists that also believe that God exists. But I feel that these people might just be trying to cover their bases.
Evolution rules out creationism. This means that if the first chapter of The Book is a bunch of lies, surely the rest is too.
2007-02-02 10:50:25
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answered by Anthony Stark 5
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Evolution has nothing whatsoever to say about whether there is or is not a God. Many influential evolutionary scientists have been religious - two examples are Theodore Dobzhansky and Ken Miller. Some of course are atheist, militantly so in the case of Richard Dawkins, but that isn't simply because they accept evolution.
You may like to look up the Clergy Letter Project, which is a list of 10,000 Christian clergymen who accept evolution: http://www.butler.edu/clergyproject/clergy_project.htm
2007-02-02 10:40:13
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answered by Daniel R 6
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If you are accepting the fact that we've evolved, then the central answer to this question would be found in what caused life to begin in the first place. That is, what created the first single cell organisms? If you say you believe in god but not religion, there is a perfectly good possibility there, but if you say you believe in religion, that is just as realistic as a fairy tale.
-Nothing in the bible can be proven to be true.
-Everything in science is proven true (some of it with fossilized evidence).
Nobody knows what created the first life on earth so there could possibly be a god, it just seems unlikely since everything that has told us to believe in god (religion) is so obviously a farce.
2007-02-02 09:45:55
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answered by soulfuljim1 2
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I think you are confusing 'evolutionists' (by which you mean someone who has examined the mountain of evidence supporting the theory of evolution and come to the correct conclusion that it is true, which by your own admission you are as well) with 'atheists' (people who reject the existence of god(s)).
Although there is a considerable overlap in the populations of both 'evolutionists' and atheists, they are not necessarily the same thing.
There is absolutely nothing in the theory of evolution that disproves the existence of god. There are quite a few individuals who feel that god is the driving force behind the mechanisms of evolution - just as (s)he is the driving force behind gravity, historical events, and the development of the human soul.
The evidence that supports the theory of evolution directly contradicts a literal interpretation of a few lines in the Book of Genesis, but a literal interpretation of those verses also requires rejecting the scientific evidence gathered in the fields of geology, astronomy, chemistry, physics, genetics, linguistics, biogeography, and almost every other field of physical science.
How come no one ever asks 'gravitists' about their proof of god, or 'heliocentrists', or 'germ theorists' or the proponents of any other scientific theory?
2007-02-02 10:55:36
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answered by Anonymous
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Wow, your composition skills are astounding. It's hard to prove or disprove that which does not exist. But, since I don't believe in god, I don't care either.
If you want people to believe in your version of god(Allah? Jehovah? Ra? Zues? Baal? Jah? Rocks and trees?) the burden of proof lies with you.
And the fact you admit to evolving is justification of evolutionary theory in and of itself. You wouldn't have known that but for Darwin. Sounds like you read a few of the books before you burned them.
2007-02-02 10:09:20
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answered by guy o 5
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