How are people born gay when identical twins disprove such a notion?

Question

Meaning, if one twin is gay, the chances of the other twin being gay is never 100%. If your born with it and its all in your genes, should not the other twin always be gay?

Wow, a lot of assumptions are being made about me. 1st one being that I think people choose to be gay-all I said was that a question that people are not born with it. Rather, I am quite sure same sex attractions (SSA), is something acquired through growing up in childhood, and things that were lacking in childhood. All the homosexuals out there who are getting so offended, why don't you evaluate your childhood-tell me, did you ever lack a vital male figure. Did you have the love you needed from your father, or strong friendships with males while growing up? Did you ever long while a child to be just like all the other cool males around you? I would not be surprised if there was this lack while growing up and if your longing for that which you lacked turned into a sexual SSA attraction.

Second assumption being that I have not done any research. You can have my word, I have done research. So have hundreds of scientists at narth.com and similar websites. There is another side to the coin

Wow, a lot of assumptions are being made about me. 1st one being that I think people choose to be gay-all I said was that a question that people are not born with it. Rather, I am quite sure same sex attractions (SSA), is something acquired through growing up in childhood, and things that were lacking in childhood. All the homosexuals out there who are getting so offended, why don't you evaluate your childhood-tell me, did you ever lack a vital male figure. Did you have the love you needed from your father, or strong friendships with males while growing up? Did you ever long while a child to be just like all the other cool males around you? I would not be surprised if there was this lack while growing up and if your longing for that which you lacked turned into a sexual SSA attraction.

Second assumption being that I have not done any research. You can have my word, I have done research. So have hundreds of scientists at narth.com and similar websites. There is another side to the coin

Answer 1

There are two different kinds of twins... fraternal and identical. Studies done of identical twins separated at birth and raised by different families show that the identical twins are much more likely to be the same orientation as one another (gay) than individual siblings born of the same mother who were raised by two different families.

This makes sense because identical twins are born of the same egg and sperm. If the egg hadn't split into two entities then only one child would have been born. On the other hand fraternal twins are born of two different eggs and two different sperm. They just happen to be in the womb at the same time.

So the studies findings demonstrate that the majority of "gayness" is biologically based. Similar studies done about things such as breast cancer show the same thing... That identical twins raised by different families tend to both have breast cancer more often than non-identical siblings who are separated at birth. We all seem to accept breast cancer's biological basis, even though not 100% of identical twin females develop it. We've even identified the gene responsible for most hereditary breast cancers. But not everyone with the gene gets it even if they're identical because other biological factors can act on the body in such a way that the gene does not express itself.

All of what I just said is a very simple way of reviewing the research. If you'd like more in-depth answers please go ahead and do some research on your own about genetics and heredity. Not about homosexuality at first, but about other things such as breast cancer or whatever. This way it's about a topic that you don't feel so strongly about so you can have an unbiased mind when reading. Then take that knowledge and apply it to homosexuality and you will see that the similarities between the research on identical twins and other genetic stuff is very similar to the findings of studies on identical twins and homosexuality.

Edit in response to additional comments.

I am a professional in the mental health field. I have just as many qualifications as the people on that narth website that you mention. Most of the diagnoses that were ever in the DSM were blamed on parental relationships or lack thereof at first. Can you believe that the mental health field originally thought autism was brought about by "refrigerator mothers?" Sounds silly now, since we've done more research on it, doesn't it? The mental health field is a social science. As a science it is constantly evolving to take into account new information. Although the mental health field once thought that homosexuality was a mental illness brought on by inadequate family relatinships this is no longer the consensus. This is because we've done more research. I again encourage you to read twin studies on this. You will notice that there is a strong genetic link when it comes to homosexuality. But just like with other things that are genetically based, such as cancer, learning disabilities, and the like, it is not always expressed in siblings due to individual differences that determine whether the gene is expressed or not.

If you had done the research on your own you would have already known that there is no 100% correlation for any complex trait that is genetic. There are high correlations, but nothing that is 100%. If you had done the research you would have known about statistical significance and you would have realized that the results of the twin studies are statistically significant, meaning that the outcome of the study could not be explained by chance.

When I mean doing the research, I mean going to an academic library or paying to be a user of an online academic library and actually doing a literature review. I do not mean picking up the latest issue of Times magazine. It is obvious by the way you worded your question and your additional responses that you have never done a literature review in your life. You depend on articles in popular media and other people's interpretation of the research. Again, go do your own research and become informed through the original studies before trying this question again.

Answer 2

Left or right handedness is also considered to be genetic but more than one gene is involved and sometimes a gene switches on sometimes it doesn't. Identical twins can have opposite handedness. I am pretty certain people don't choose to be left handed and even so-called Christians accept that handedness is genetic these days yet there is no more or less evidence for handedness being genetic than sexual orientation being genetic.

Answer 3

Well I'm an identical twin & although we look so much alike we could not be more different. Yes people are born gay just like my sister was born with a stronger take charge personality while I'm very laid back, except when people insult me, my family or GAY friends

Answer 4

It's like vocal identification, or teeth... identical twins aren't 100% identical. Eye shape will vary, freckles and moles don't always match, hair patterns differ. That's the simplest answer I can give you! I hope your mind opens up a little! Have a good day!

Answer 5

A lot of research suggests that it's hormonal. Meaning that hormone levels in the womb affect the unborn children and can determine their sexual orientation.

Answer 6

No. There are Identical Twins which are opposite "handed" as well. Twins do not disprove a genetic link at all.




Narth does not "do" research. Narth is Pseudoscience.

Answer 7

*sigh* Before commenting on this sort of thing -- study genetics.

You can start by studying the phrase "genetic penetrance" -- that should help. At least you will then understand that it does not guarantee any such thing as you assert in your question -- and put you on some of the same footing as people actually in the field.

Regards,

Reynolds
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Answer 8

I know of two sets of twins who are all gay.

I know of other sets of twins where one is gay and the other is not.

Stop trying to insult gays by insinuating that they choose to be gay when gay people know they were born that way. You're just a sad, sad troublemaker.

Answer 9

No because there is no such thing as truly identical twins - even their fingerprints are different.

Answer 10

hope you are not the second of twins or we will have two stupid more on earth...ooo man stop it! ok whe choose to be gay and pervert and we love it...what the hell do you want us to say???