Does anyone else think the world's gone crazy?

Question

We are being told there is no room in UK pisons, so much so that they are willing to let poedaphiles out on the streets... yet they jail a women for lying to men in order to get them to marry her?

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/30012007/140/lying-bride-jailed-163-100k-con.html

Ok she used their credit cards but isn't that the responsibility of the credit card companies to check for fraud?
Is she really THAT much of a danger to society that she has to be put in the already overcrowded prisons whilst actual harmful criminals are sent free??

How can we make the government actually see some sense in what they are doing?

what do you think?

Thanks for the answers and understanding.. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks like this.

in response to Aviator.. I am aware she committed a crime.. my argument is that she is not a violent threat to society and yet is taking up space (and tax payer's money) in a prison cell whilst the harmful poedophile is being left to roam the streets. How is this Justice?

P.S. Lt. Dan.. I'm not sure why you think I'm against drug dealers going to prison.
This lady is not a drug dealer and, as far as I can tell, hasn't caused physical harm to anyone... her punishment should match her crime... i.e. pay the money back with compensation and work for society... not make society work so that we can pay for her to go to already overcrowded prisons.

Answer 1

That sounds similar to USA. They let violent criminals out early to make room for non-violent drug users.

Answer 2

The lady you refer to obtains money (routinely) by fraud and deception. Using other peoples credit cards without their permission, is theft. Yes, she is a danger to society, male society. Would you have been so sanguine if she had taken your money? If she has obtained the pin numbers from the men because they trusted her, how do you expect the credit card companies to identify that? Of course, the so called paedophiles should not have been let out out, but that doesn't lessen her crimes.

I say, 'so called paedophiles', because some of the sex offences giving rise to being placed on the 'sex offenders register these days, seem to be getting more and more trivial. So, the generic term 'paedophile' is starting to shed more heat than light.

I think you are right to draw attention to the madness operating over the prison system, but I don't think we should use it to start to go soft on female criminals, which seems to be behind your argument.

Prison isn't just for violent offenders, it is a punishment for all those that qualify for it. Somebody downloads images only (throw the key away), someone routinely robs people from a position of trust, and oh! that isn't too bad (slap wrist).

Answer 3

I don't think the world has gone crazy, it's always been that way. So called improvements in communication are the reason we think we know what is happening here and now. We should listen more to what we are not told about.
What is crazy is that the British taxpayer is paying the bill to keep foreigners in our jails so that british ciminals can be sent home with slapped wrists. We should be sending home all those foreigners found guilty of committing crime here. If we did that, and then hung the paedophiles and murderers, the prisons would have empty cells for our own crims to be put into.

Answer 4

It's ridiculous - prisons have been getting more and more overcrowded for years - but it's only now that we're reaching crisis point that the government is finally just admitting that something needs to be done.
I also thought t was interesting that as far as I'm aware - Britain has the largest prison population in Europe after Turkey - and that can't be good. I also find it ironic that this looks to be at least partly down to all the 'crackdowns' on crime - with the government basically continually promising to be tougher on criminals (mostly to keep their voters happy) - despite the fact that the crime rate has been consistently falling for decades.

Answer 5

Gone Crazy... I am still waiting for signs of intelligence on this planet... So far, over the eons, this civilization has produced nothing but one nut after another and your asking if it has gone crazy... Ever since humans were put here, this planet has been nothing but an Insane Asylum, where everybody is a patient and there is no doctors... And to top it off, we have all of these liberals whining and crying about all the injustice there is. Criminals have rights? Thank the Liberals for that. Victim don't have any rights except to be a victim, with no recourse, except to wait until the criminals are caught in the act of committing a crime, even when caught on camera, on video tape, red-handed, they are called possible suspect... What a crock o' feces...

Answer 6

the reason there is no room left in the prisons is , they arn't prisons any more,they are blocks of bedsits. criminals get more privileges while they ar locked up, than we do out here in the free world . TV's DVD's VIDIO's RADIO's and the latest news in the papers is 2 or 3 prisons managed to order 2000 PS2's before the public could get them . It's no wonder the crim's arn' t worried about doing a stretch.
On top of that when they are sent out into the community for placement work they can expect a good wage which they keep for a nice little nest egg when they get out , Instead of having to pay for there keep , instead of us keeping them. Well you did ask.

Answer 7

Weighing up severity of offences; Of course any crime committed against a child is a terrible crime and I would judge worse than the crime this woman committed. Judges have to sentence according to the crimes that come before them. Each judge is fallible and our prisons are full. One method of creating more jail space has been done by a Mayor of a State in America who created a tent jail surrounded with dogs and barbed wire. We could do this here and keep down costs. I bet the reoffending rate would drop.

Answer 8

The problem is that men tend to dominate the justice system - and women conform to male standards if they want to rise within the hierarchy of the justice system. Paedophilia is not something that our judiciary themselves are averse to and it is rumoured that our security forces have allowed those with power access to children's homes in order to exert some sort of power over these individuals. Frankly if one looks at the history of child abuse in the UK one cannot help but conclude that the various enquiries and hearing have colluded in failing to uncover the whole truth - see North Wales where fraudulent dates were presented to the enquiry which brought the victims accurate testimony into disrepute. Child abuse is something of an establishment past time within the UK and no one appears to believe that children in care are always safe. Child trafficking is rife in the UK too and so there must be a thriving market in this perverted past time. A woman who deprives a man of money is more likely to be punished than a man who deprives a child of innocence - yes our world is mad, but with the lunatics in charge of our judiciary / the asylum it ain't gonna get any better until people like you start asking pertinent questions like this.

Answer 9

Hello
Having read several of the answers from others - I am pondering, " When did dealing drugs become an accepted crime in our society?"
Working in a prison , and hearing from the inmates themselves how they dealt ,what crimes they have done, and even what types of weapons they had - I cannot help but to think this world has certainly gone crazy ....
Where do you think your local drugs came from? Just the next door neighbor that is cool and chilled out?
Not unless it was homegrown!!
It's called trafficking- the moving of the drugs from the location of growth in one country , to more northern customers, and that involves violent gang practices, drug cortels,often murder, and other illegal activities....
It's not a pretty world out there , people , as far as major drug dealing is concerned!
Has this world gone crazy? Yes it has babe!!

Answer 10

I agree that the system isn't perfect (UK or US), but it does work better than others (monarchies, dictatorships, etc.) in that we can change things if something is wrong through the legislature.

What needs to be remembered is that a person's guilt needs to be proven to the wording of the law. It's a fault that a "good" lawyer can get a jury to see that an obviously guilty person is not guilty to the wording of a law, but it is also a protection for those people who are truly innocent. Our systems (UK and US) are built on the premise that everyone is innocent, and so even those alleged paedophiles and murderers are not paedophiles and murderers in the eyes of the law until they're cases prove them to be so.

It's more unfortunate that it's easier to prove a person smoked weed than it is someone killed someone else, but again that's how the law currently works. If you don't like it, lobby your legislature for change.

Answer 11

Well, for 1 men and women are sent to different prisons. And you're right, the world has gone crazy for for reasons than one. pedofile disgust me and should stay in. Some pedophiles walk the street because they are superstars(R-Kelly, Michael Jackson) and some murderers(OJ Simpson) Plus, women are sent to jail for cutting off a man's penis, but some are acquitted for insanity after they kill their children because their boyfriend or the voices said to do so. It's a twisted, wicked world if you ask me. Opps, you did ask me. Plus, Martha Stewart was in jail for doing something anyone would do if their money was in danger. Do you think they would have sent Oprah to jail if she had done the same? Probably so. Martha going to jail, but not R-Kelly or Michael, just goes to show how it's all about money. And they don't like it when you play with their money, pedophiles have a better chance than someone who out smarts the money system and gets paid!