The Creation of the Chemical Elements must have preceded the first matter ?

Question

The creation of the first elements must necessarily have occurred before the first matter was formed. Therefore, logically, the science of chemistry is founded on the presupposition that creation has definitely occurred, since all matter known to science is composed of chemical elements and there never was a time when chemicals existed without the elements.

It is therefore logical that all chemists should believe in the creation of the chemical elements whether they disagree about the origin of that creation. Creation is not simply an opinion but, to the chemist, is a logical basis for their science.

My question is simply to ask if any clever person claims that creation (I mean intelligent design) did not occur. Chemistry as a science presumes, assumes, the created design of the chemical elements.

The creation of a thing is not the same as its first physical appearance. Man was created before he first physically appeared. There were not two creations of man but one.

Similarly, according to the bible, plants came in to being although they existed as seeds and had been created at the beginning.

So the chemical elements were created before the first matter appeared.

Answer 1

i agree

Answer 2

No, your question has no logic. What is the difference between elements and matter? If you say elements are by definition atoms consisting of nuclei surrounded by orbital electrons and matter is a broader term then the matter did indeed come before the elements. The scientific evidence is that the initial matter created by the Big Bang was a plasma of particles that was far too hot to form atoms. It was only when the Universe had expanded and cooled sufficently for the first atoms to form that we can really consider their to be anything like chemical elements.
Intelligent design is easily disproved. The next time you choke on some food ask yourself how intelligent was the design that put your air pipe in such close proximity to your food inlet.

Answer 3

"The creation of the first elements must necessarily have occurred before the first matter was formed." <-this statement is incorrect...there goes your theory.

there cant be chemical elements without matter! i dont understand how you can make sense of your argument.

this is how things happened: in the begining there wasnothing but super-heated plasma which cooled enough to form hydrogen and helium 9which have been proven to form naturaly when plasma (free flowing protons/electrons/nutrons) cool down. they condensed toward eachother, causing spin. when they reached a critical mass, fusion happened. this process creates heavier elements from lighter ones (like in a hydrogen bomb or a star). THIS is how elements were formed. please read a science book; you may find it to make ACTUAL sense o.0

addendum::
"My question is simply to ask if any clever person claims that creation (I mean intelligent design) did not occur. Chemistry as a science presumes, assumes, the created design of the chemical elements"
Chemestry does nothing of the sort!!

addendum2::
your reasoning is "since the bible says something, it must be true"
at the appearance of the word "bible" this no longer is a scientific argument. please do not try to claim it to be as such; for it is an insult to scientists and theologists alike.

Answer 4

according to science, in a way your right. but the elements were created by the big boom(i think it was a huge explosion of pressure) that released gases. those gasses mostly helium and hydrogen got compressed and heated by the pressure in the space vacuum. the friction increased and eventually set fire. when they burned, they created carbon dioxide and other base chemicals including (probaably) some acids. These acids mixed and formed solids in a chemical reaction. That created more gasses and some solids. Since this is happening over and over and reheated and creating chemical reaction after chemical reaction, the speed of creation surpassed the speed of reaction which led to a burning mass (aka earth and other stuff). so teachnically creation is a logical basis to how the chemicals and elements came to be and thus their craft. (sorry that this is very long)

Answer 5

Pure crap! The big bang and shortly after was when the FORCES of matter crystallized out. The coulomb force is what is responsible for the properties of the chemical elements. In the beginning there could not be any elements, let alone atoms. Go back to elementary school junior and ask your teacher for help.. you have no place here..leave the creation of matter to the experts

Answer 6

Your first statement seems a little flawed. I fail to see a difference between 'elements' and 'matter'. The elements (such as hydrogen) fall under the category of matter. In fact, hydrogen is made of protons, neutrons and electrons, all of which fall under the category of matter as well. Thus, matter was 'created' before the elements. Since hydrogen is made up of smaller parts of matter, matter must have been created before hydrogen. Perhaps you could define for us what you mean by 'elements' and by 'matter'.

Hope this helps.

Edit: Okay, thanks for the clarification. I do not agree with your assumptions. Thereby, I do not accept your conclusions. I do not believe that things can be created before they exist. They exist if and when they are created (that would be one of my assumptions). I also think you'll find that many chemists would feel the same as I do and will also not accept your logic because of your initial, behind-the-scenes assumption. Thanks for the question.

Answer 7

Unfortunately for your argument, it's flat-out wrong that "elements" existed before "matter". In fact if anything it's the other way round. The first matter was sub-atomic particles. It was only later that these came together to form elements - mainly hydrogen and helium, with smaller amounts of the elements up to iron.

Everything heavier than iron wasn't formed until billions of years later, in the supernovas produced as the first generation of stars died.

Answer 8

Alas kind seeker of truth, your premise does not hold. Creation could have evolved the elements as God pro ceded w/ through the days.

Answer 9

Chemical elements ARE matter - I wonder if "matter" is the word you mean to use ...

Answer 10

And your question is?

Ya... d'uh... Matter was created. Whoever doubted that?

Where's your question?

Answer 11

God knows that went right over my grey matter