What does this mean?????

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Freud thought sex was THE biggest motivator for all humans and that the stages of development were rooted strongly in childhood reactions. But that did not mean that homosexuals were already predisposed to homosexuality at birth, Freud had a bit of what Skinner would later explain--conditioning, the same learning that Freud described was explainable in more mechanistic and predictable ways. Neither were good at demonstrating a definite path or correlation to the histories or incidence of homosexuality. That then led some to assume that instead of misattachment at puberty as others believe, it began before even Freud and Skinner's area of scrutiny, before birth. The idea of a genetic predisposition, however, has no more proof than any other idea. Humans have a propensity to confound the social sciences at every turn--people with suggested indications and influences don't turn gay and people without suggested indications and influences sometimes do, vice versa. We don't know, but this I do know from personal experience, adolescent boys sure hear from a lot of gay evangelists that put pressure and arguments on their targeted boys that would make a used car salesman proud. Now why would so many homosexuals put on the sales pressure to convince other boys that they too are gay or can become gay--especially since the current notion is that we either are or aren't from birth? Not opinion, but experience fact, I don't care how many thumbs down I get.

i didn't write this....someone else did. they said this to me & i don't know what they mean???

I DID'T WRITE THIS!!! IM TRYNA FIGURE OUT WHAT THIS PERSON MEANT WHEN HE SAID IT 2 ME OK!!!!!

Answer 1

ummmmm...... where did you get that. I suspect the answer can be found by knowing the whole story.

didn't make sense to me....

Answer 2

I agree with Freud that sex is a big motivator, but his theory is that, at a certain age, you will have the personality that you have for the rest of your life. (I believe that it is 10). There are many who later disagree with this concept, including myself, primarily because this discredits any experience that is gained through your teenage years, up to adulthood, as having an effect on your personality.
Basically, Freud would say that either you were born gay, or something that happened in your childhood would make you gay, but this isn't always the case. Sometimes, things happen in your teenage years that 'trigger' someone to be gay, such as being raped. Freud's theory also doesn't explain those men and women who have gotten married, had children, then decide one day that they cant take it anymore, and that they are gay. Of course, these individuals COULD have repressed this their whole lives, or be Bisexual, but why wait until you've been married and had children to finally come to terms with this? Could someone really all of a sudden be gay at the age of 40? This does go against the current notion, but it was the case with a good friend of mine's father, as well as the man he later 'married'.
I believe that being gay has many different factors that psychology has yet to recognize.

Answer 3

What does this mean?????

Honestly, I'm not sure what you're trying to get at. Are you declaring that gay people go around recruiting. If so, you sadly are quite wrong. If anything, it is heterosexual society that tries to convert gays.

As for spouting off Freud and Skinner, as if the only two to ever discuss this, the bottom line is this. You are heterosexual, you know that, you feel that, it is ingrained in you, am I correct? That said, why is it you think you can possibly know that someone is not born gay. Consider, as a white man myself, I can understand racism against blacks, but I can never put myself in a black man's shoes. So why do you presume to put yourself in a gay man's shoes.

The idea of gays recruiting is not only silly it is, on it's face, a sad and quite dishonest tactic used by many who simply choose to believe that anything different must be wrong, deviant, unnatural or twisted. You offer opinion but no fact, well allow me.

Fact, I know I was born this way.

Fact, you know you were born the way your were.

Fact, you can never know my statement is wrong since you are not me.

Fact, only intellectually dishonest people would argue that recruitment is how gays are formed.

Fact, at the end of the day, for all your verbose pedantic ranting, you really don't understand human sexuality.

Answer 4

I never knew a gay man when I was young, but I knew I was gay. You may say that you speak from experience, but I suspect that experience was more limited than you wish us to think.

As for the idea of genetic predisposition having no proof. Excuse me? What exactly do you do with the fruit-fly study and the now ongoing ram studies???

Facts are madam, when I was young a fair number of my friends liked me to regularly s**k them off. None of them are gay. I have always had women throwing themselves at me sexually, and still do sometimes (no offense to anyone) -- but I'm surely not straight, I am gay and have never had a single thought about a woman sexually in my life.

Additional fact, madam. Freud wrote a lot of the foundation of psychiatry, but like any science, it changes. It isn't religion -- things become recognized to be wrong or culturally based; more research comes in -- and opinions and positions and theories, change. Science isn't "truth" its the search for it. So what Freud said, or thought, or what his few remaining disciples say or think -- really matters, very little.

Try again.

Regards

Reyn
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Answer 5

I'm not x-actly sure what the question was in there as its is all over the board.. But I'll try anway..

Shrinks are often wrong anway (and you named one specifically that isnt really taken all that seriously in certain areas anymore) i do tend to doubt that homosexuality really has anything to do with psycology as you mean it as the animal kingdom pratices it quit frequently as well... (fer instance Bonobo Monkeys to name just one.. there are TONS of others)

Answer 6

OMG, Listen sista, you really have a problem. I mean come on, quit the writing a book and get to the point. I stopped reading this long before it was over, I spent the remainder of the time, trying to figure out what some of the other comments were on this CRAP!!!! Get aLife.

Answer 7

To rebutt your reasoning...I am a gay man who grew up hearing straight evangelists putting pressure and arguments on their targeted audience...how do you explain that I'm gay and not straight? Huh? Huh? Huh?

There are two sides to every coin.

Answer 8

This means you need to channel your energy into something more constructive.

Answer 9

Has anyone read this yet? I haven't, just wondering if anyone else really had the energy.

Answer 10

Thats too long to read!