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Macedonian language is an extension of ancient Macedonian, Homerus in origine wrote in Macedonian. History tells that Philipus and Alexander, when angry, yelled to the soldiers on Macedonian, which was completely strange to the Greeks.

2007-01-28 23:42:01 · 10 answers · asked by flavivs severvs 3 in Arts & Humanities History

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By far the most unhistorical question I’ve ever seen!!!! (I bet solun has something to do with this question!!! Homer wrote his famous epics in Slavic-Macedonian??? Can you please inform me who uneducated person claims that?)
Modern Slav-Macedonian has no relation with the ancient (Greek)Macedonian.
The ancient (Greek) Macedonian was a Greek dialect. The strongest evidence is the archaeological discoveries! All the monuments of the ancient Greek kingdom of Macedonia are pure Greek. All the inscriptions are written in Greek, all the coins are written in Greek, all the tombs and the names of the dead are pure Greek. There was never found anything with any “lost” or “unknown” language. Alexander the Great spread the Greek language and he is responsible for the creation of a brand new version the famous “koine” or “Alexander’s Greek”.
All the toponyms of the authentic(Greek) Macedonia are the SAME toponyms that were originally used by the ancient (Greek)Macedonians. And of course all those names are pure Greek. All these Greek names originate from the ancient times and they are found in scripted and in the coinage of the ancient (Greek) Macedonians and consequently they are much older than the Slavic(Bulgarian) alternatives.
All of these names are still used such as the capital Thessalonici, the ancient capital of Pella and Aigai and Anthemous, Almopia, Amphaxitis, Bisaltia, Botiaia, Chakildiki, Edonis, Elimeia, Eordaia, Krestonia, Lynkests, Mygdonia, Odomantis, Orestis, Pieria, Sintiki, Thassos, Tymphaea, and more! All the ancient Macedonian names mentioned in history or found on tombs are Greek. All the kings of Ancient Macedonia had Greek names. Let me give you a small list of the Greek names of the Macedonians
Alexandros(Alexander) , Phillipos (Philip), Ifestion, Antipatros, Antiochos Lyssimachos , Ptolemeos, Antigonos ,Seleukos, Parmenion, Perdicas Hermias Anaksarxos, Marsias, Zoilos, Deinokratis, Aristoboulos ,Aristokritos, Thessalos ,Argeos, Pausanias, Eumenes , Kassandros, Krateros, Arrianos, Philotas, Cleitos, Neoptolemos, Python, Hippostratos, Attalos, Kleitarxos, Polyperchon, Aristandros, Polycratis, Bolon, Koinos, Iolaos, Xenokratis , Deukalos, Arrhideos ,Charidimos , Kalas, Perseas, Meleagros, Arpalos, and hundred more names found written on their tombs!!!
A for history just a small sample of what Alexander HIMSELF has said is documented by Plutarchos:
"But Alexander said : “If I were not Alexandros, I should be Diogenes'; that is to say: `If it were not my purpose to combine barbarian things with things Greek, to traverse and civilize every continent, to search out the uttermost parts of land and sea, to push the bounds of Macedonia to the farthest Ocean, and to diseminate and shower the blessings of the Greek justice and peace over every nation, …. But as things are, forgive me Diogenes, that I imitate Herakles, and emulate Perseus, and follow in the footsteps of Dionysos, the divine author and progenitor of my family, and desire that victorious GREEKS should dance again in India and revive the memory of the Bacchic revels among the savage mountain tribes beyond the Kaukasos... "(Plutarchos, On the Fortune of Alexander, 332 a-b)
And let’s see some respectful historians what they say about ancient Macedonian. Nicholas G. L. Hammond,
"What language did these `Macedones' speak? The name itself is Greek in root and in ethnic termination. It probably means `highlanders', and it is comparable to Greek tribal names such as `Orestai' and `Oreitai', meaning 'mountain-men'. A reputedly earlier variant, `Maketai', has the same root, which means `high', as in the Greek adjective makednos or the noun mekos. The genealogy of eponymous ancestors which Hesiod recorded [.] has a bearing on the question of Greek speech. First, Hesiod made Macedon a brother of Magnes; as we know from inscriptions that the Magnetes spoke
the Aeolic dialect of the Greek language, we have a predisposition to suppose that the Macedones spoke the Aeolic dialect.
Secondly, Hesiod made Macedon and Magnes first cousins of Hellen's three sons - Dorus, Xouthus, and Aeolus-who were the founders of three dialects of Greek speech, namely Doric, Ionic, and Aeolic. Hesiod would not have recorded this relationship, unless he had believed, probably in the seventh century, that the Macedones were a Greek speaking people. The next evidence comes from Persia. At the turn of the sixth century the Persians described the tribute-paying peoples of their province in Europe, and one of them was the `yauna takabara', which meant `Greeks wearing the hat'. There were
Greeks in Greek city-states here and there in the province, but they were of various origins and not distinguished by a common hat. However, the Macedonians wore a distinctive hat, the kausia. We conclude that the Persians believed the Macedonians to be speakers of Greek. Finally, in the latter part of the fifth century a Greek historian, Hellanicus, visited Macedonia and modified Hesiod's genealogy by making Macedon not a cousin, but a son of Aeolus, thus bringing Macedon and his descendants firmly into
the Aeolic branch of the Greek-speaking family. Hesiod, Persia, and Hellanicus had no motive for making a false statement about the language of the Macedonians, who were then an obscure and not a powerful people. Their independent testimonies should be accepted as conclusive (N.G.L. Hammond, The Macedonian State, p.12-13
And of course professor Eugene BORZA :“ Eugene N. Borza, ‘Makedonika’
Regina Books, Claremont CA : "Our understanding of the Macedonians' emergence into history is confounded by two events: the establishment of the Macedonians as an identifiable ethnic group, and the foundation of their ruling house. The "HIGHLANDERS" or "MAKEDONES" of the mountainous regions of western Macedonia ARE DERIVED FROM NORTHWEST GREEK STOCK; THEY WERE AKIN BOTH TO THOSE WHO AT AN EARLIER TIME MAY HAVE MIGRATED SOUTH TO BECOME THE HISTORICAL "DORIANS", and to other Pindus tribes who were the ancestors of the Epirotes or Molossians. That is, we may suggest that NORTHWEST GREECE PROVIDED A POOL OF INDO-EUROPEAN SPEAKERS OF PROTO-GREEK from which were drawn the tribes who later were known by different names as they established their regional identities in separate parts of the country." -"First, the matter of the Greek origins of the Macedonians: Nicholas Hammond's general conclusion (though not the details of his arguments)that the origin of the Macedonians lies in the pool of proto-Greek speakers who migrated out of the Pindus mountains during the Iron Age, is acceptable."
Modern Slavic-Macedonian, is a language in the Eastern group of South Slavic languages. Slavic-Macedonian is closely related to and mutually intelligible with Standard Bulgarian. It also has some similarities with standard Serbian and is closest to the intermediate Torlakian and Shop dialects spoken mostly in southern Serbia and in western Bulgaria. In linguistics, mutual intelligibility is a property exhibited by a set of languages when speakers of any one of them can readily understand all the others without intentional study or extraordinary effort. And that is all!

2007-01-29 09:39:14 · answer #1 · answered by ragzeus 6 · 15 11

ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS !!! Where on earth did you hear this stuff? The language that F.Y.R.O.M.ians speak is a Slavic one and has a relatively short history. There is no such thing as Macedonian language because the ancient Macedonians spoke Greek with their own idiom as every other place of Greece had its own. This is widely known fact and its absolutely outrageous to make a claim against it. The Greeks didn't change any toponym. They are calling the places exactly as they call it for centuries . Thessaloniki for example is the name of Alexander the Great ' sister and has been called like this for since it was built. The Slavs call it Solun. Can you find any meaning in the word Solun ?
Macedonia,Homerus,Alexandros, Filipos all greek names.
The F.Y.R.O.M. ians live in a cloud of deceit since all this propganda started. Get over with it. You are SLAVBULGARIANS!You speak SLAVBULGARIAN! You have nothing to do with Macedonia and you didn't even call yourselves Macedonians before 1920. In all the maps and surveys before that you are called bulgarians! What happened and suddenly you want to be claimed as Macedonians? Its time to put an end to this. You are only doing harm to your country and its foreign affairs by creating this problem with Greece.

2007-01-30 20:15:13 · answer #2 · answered by iguana 2 · 13 9

The Ancient Macedonians were the inhabitants of Macedon in ancient times. Historians generally agree that the ancient Macedonians—whether they originally spoke a Greek dialect or a distinct language—were absorbed into the Koine Greek-speaking population in Hellenistic times. Whether the ancient Macedonians were an ethnically Greek people themselves continues to be debated by historians, linguists, and lay people. However, the Macedonian Royal family known as the Argead dynasty claimed Greek descent. After the 4th Century BCE, the ancient Macedonians were universally considered to be Greek by their contemporaries.
As for the names we did not change anything.For example:Thessaloniki is called solun by FYROMians. what?????
The name of Alexander's sister was Thessaloniki, it is written.
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thessalonice_of_Macedon )
And so on......

2007-01-29 02:51:25 · answer #3 · answered by Μακεδών 2 · 14 8

"Macedonian language is an extension of ancient Macedonian"

wow what a claim!

How do you support that? Find me an ancient Macedonian writing which has ANY connections to the Slavic-Bulgarian dialect that you like to call Macedonian!

On the contrary, I can find endless writings from ancient Macedonia, that even today after 3000 years I can still read knowing just modern Greek!

"Homerus in origine wrote in Macedonian. History tells that Philipus and Alexander, when angry, yelled to the soldiers on Macedonian, which was completely strange to the Greeks. "

wow how comes Philipus speak different language than the rest of the greeks when even his own name was Greek!!

Phil (from philos = friend in Greek), ipus(from ippos = horse in Greek).

But even if he had a slightly different Greek dialect how do you support that this had ANY connection whatsoever to the bulgarian language that you like to call Macedonian?

2007-01-29 23:27:50 · answer #4 · answered by Sandy 3 · 13 10

Who told you that the Greek toponyms and names in Macedonia changed?We live in this country and that has never happened,what are we blind or something?It is crazy saying things that have nothing to do with reality just because you would like things to be like that!
Well, let me tell you something:everytime you hear something from someone you should search the truth and don't believe anyone!That is the only way to see things how they really are,the only way to built a healthy personality!
And something more:there is not an aegean Macedonia,there is only one Macedonia in this world and it is the real the authentic Macedonia of Greece.You can call your country whatever,call it Macedonia,call it Bulgaria,call it Albania, even Japan if you like but the reality and history don't change!

2007-01-30 03:00:24 · answer #5 · answered by Eleni H 2 · 11 8

Macedonians are Macedonian!!! Greeks called Macedonians barbarians! Macedonians and Greeks speak two different language! In ancient times and today!

2007-02-01 12:58:00 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 11 13

It is NOT!!!! Ancient Macedonians are just Macedonians!! NEVER GREEK!!!

2007-02-01 04:18:52 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 11 14

MACEDONIA was never Greek!! For the languages this is what was spoken in ancient times and in modern day http://macedonia-info.org/history/ancient/Indoeuropean_languages.jpg
For more information about the beautiful country MACEDONIA take a look at the websites below. Vardar, Aegea, and Pirin!!!

2007-01-29 04:43:03 · answer #8 · answered by SOLUN macedonia 3 · 10 16

Mercy!!!
Open some books please!

2007-01-30 03:50:28 · answer #9 · answered by andelska 3 · 11 9

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