I have wondered why this earth is the place muslims have to be so "moral," but the next life, if they are good here, they [the men] get to be really immoral? All the lusts of the flesh are permitted, including homosexuality in their paradise....and women can only get in to paradise if their husbands allow them to enter.....I do not see any place for women there except as virgins that get f---ked over and over and remain virgins, and little boys who get the same...this is NOT God's Heaven, because God is Truth, Love, Beauty, Justice, Mercy, Righteousness.....I can only believe this paradise the muslims are killing themselves and others to enter is truly from satan, a hell that lasts forever.,...in torment. IT is satan's way todeceive, lie, and unfirtunately, in islam, muslims are permitted to lie about islam on any subject as long as they think it will promote the cause of islam spreading to dominate the whole earth. That is, the arabs to dominate!
isn't their paradise really hell?
2007-01-27 23:23:52 · 11 answers · asked by dhiaibrahim 1 in Society & Culture ➔ Cultures & Groups ➔ Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender
you have two mistakes in your question
1- Women will enter paradise only with the permission of their husbands. The truth is that paradise is under the sole control of God and he is one who will decide who is to enter and who will stay out of it.
May be the confusion came to you when you came across a hadeeth which is used to encourage women to obey their husband by stating that God would be angry with a women that is disobeying her husband.
2- There is no home-sexuality in the paradise, you are mistaken in understanding that the servants of the occupant in the paradise will be young males but no home-sexuality.
one last thing, although it is not in your question, this is from the third surah
[199] And there are, certainly, among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), those who believe in Allâh and in that which has been revealed to you, and in that which has been revealed to them, humbling themselves before Allâh. They do not sell the Verses of Allâh for a little price, for them is a reward with their Lord. Surely, Allâh is Swift in account.
Best regards and God bless
2007-01-29 06:43:09 · answer #1 · answered by Temsah 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
seriously my friend ur "idea" of paradise is wrong... first and foremost.. if u r givin or tellin this thing without any references then its baseless for u to ask another question about a religion..... if so then plz forward me ur reference and i will forward ur the arabic context of the Holy Quran.. which will give u a meaning of the exact words described for the luxuries of heaven...
Islam does not discriminate in men and women.. if u study the rights and duties of a muslim be it man or a woman.. they r equal... the only place where the difference lies is in leadership... it is man's inherit nature "strong".. women are made up of tenderness.. ofcourse this may vary...
i appreciate the fact that u realise that fact that Muslim teachings for this world are moral... it seems u have some understanding.. but i wud advise u more study.... "a half baked cake is of no use"
Next time please dont make ur "accusations" on a religion.. try to ask a question u might get the right answer..
if u accuse any religion u obviously will start things with a negative point.... the doors for the truth will close then and there only....
Be patient.... hope u find ur salvation...
Regards
U r basically in the wrong section askin a wrong question
2007-01-28 08:50:27 · answer #2 · answered by Lavaxpresszia 1 · 2⤊ 0⤋
Why are you posting this here?
#1 -- Arab and Muslim are not identical
#2 -- Muslim and fanatic are not identical
#3 -- Christian and fanatic are not identical
#4 -- Sex, even random sex, and sin are not identical
All the assertions in the world will not make any of the above pairs identical.
Take your prejudice and your hatred, badly disguised here, and go away.
Thank you.
For the record, I'm Christian, although whether you would recognize my sect, since we think sex is ok and the Bible is mythic, but believe that Christ is Lord -- that I don't know.
Regards,
Reynolds
believeinyou24@yahoo.com
http://www.rebuff.org
PS to Lava above.
Excuse me. I just corrected the idiot for his religious prostelytizing, and here you are with equal bull.
You question the one thing he's right about. Of course, you believe its evil -- you've been taught to think so. I'm fully aware of the history of Islam, and have many Arabic and Muslim friends -- none of whom have a problem with sex or homosexuality (oh horrors, I'm sure). Now then. As for the verses, you can start with the following:
52:17-29 And they shall have boys [ghilmaan] circulating among them as if they were hidden pearls.
56:22-23 and dark-eyed ones [hoorun 'eenun], the like of hidden pearls
76:19 And immortal boys [wildaanun mukhalladoona] will circulate among them, when you see them you will count them as scattered pearls.
2:25 And they shall have immaculate partners [azwaajun mutahharatun] in [the gardens] ...
4:57 And they shall have immaculate partners [azwaajun mutahharatun] in them ...
There are verses in the Hadiths as well -- and strong indications that even the prophet understood that men used natural eunuchs (those who lacked sexual response to women -- by our standards gay men) as sex partners. There are dozens of scholarly books on this -- and the use of males for sex continued, and was accepted and even taxed in some empires, until the mid 1800s. The changing force was not something from within Islam, but something from without Islam, from the (at the time) dominant Christian culture. Christianity and its hatred of homosexuality altered the Muslim view in ways that remain to this time.
If you actually believe the writings (I view them all as myth - Christian [which I know far better] and Muslim) then Muslim religious law (Shiara???) is translating things these days, in exactly the way its proponents at the time learned to translate them from Protestant Christian theologians in the 1800s. Going back to the old view would be both more historically sound and more intellectually honest. Of course the old view would make sex between males, acceptable -- and not the hanging offense it is in some Islamic countries now.
PS To Temsah -- you may translate and pretend all you want -- however, historically the young men from the verses I quoted are considered to be sexual and there is a Hadith that actually talks about males and females
being available for sex.
Al Hadis, Vol. 4, p. 172, No. 34
Ali reported that the Apostle of Allah said, "There is in Paradise a market wherein there will be no buying or selling, but will consist of men and women. When a man desires a beauty, he will have intercourse with them."
Historically, the markets I mention above in my post prove the same point. The hatred of sexuality is a more recent development, and it comes largely from Christianity -- which is just sad.
2007-01-28 13:14:58 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
I don't believe in either so its a mute point. However, where do you get off saying homosexuality is immoral? I think the intolerance and hatred, not only for homosexuality but for other humans based on their religion is immoral. And so did Jesus. Take some time to actually read what he had to say.
And people (that includes christians), who kill in the name of their god cannot be reasoned with.
2007-01-28 08:40:56 · answer #4 · answered by tjnstlouismo 7 · 2⤊ 0⤋
hi there
just wanted to comment that this Q doesn't belong here
another thing u just writing things to cause trouble and fights between ppl, really shame on u. i just want to ask u, wht do u benifit from asking such a question here. nothing it will only give u a bad image and replies from ppl. does it make u feel good to put wrong bad things about someone else, or something.
all wht i ask God to do is to show u the right path and protect u from satan.
cheers buddy
2007-01-28 08:40:55 · answer #5 · answered by Boyz Charm 2 · 2⤊ 0⤋
Well actually dont bother anyone. Its doesnt matter weather they go to hell or heaven or sit with satan. Just be happy the way you are, and pray for them.
2007-01-30 06:27:37 · answer #6 · answered by Sam 1 · 0⤊ 0⤋
I'm not muslim, but think of it this way, if a muslim wants suicide (almost like death by cop) to leave this life to be with 7 or 77 or a bunch of virgins. Would that be considered hell, or would their living with their wives on earth be considered hell?
2007-01-28 07:46:07 · answer #7 · answered by sophieb 7 · 1⤊ 3⤋
hey mr. wt u said about Islam here is wrong, who said that women wont enter except if their men allow them to, this is not true, some men will be in hell, does that mean that their good women wont enter heaven cuz they r not there to allow them...only GOD allows people to enter or not...please please make sure about the information u get before talking like this and give islam a bad image...
god protect u
2007-01-28 07:32:06 · answer #8 · answered by ^Butterfly^ 4 · 1⤊ 3⤋
all your understandings are totally based on ignorance.
u should read some good book about islam idea of heaven and hell.
if u have further doubt u can contact me any time.
2007-01-28 07:39:00 · answer #9 · answered by aamirtaj 3 · 2⤊ 2⤋
Doesn't this question actually belong in the religion category?
2007-01-28 07:45:23 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 5⤊ 0⤋