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2007-01-25 15:02:36 · 39 answers · asked by Scythian1950 7 in Science & Mathematics Chemistry

Folks... I mean RAISE the freezing point temperature, not LOWER it!!!

2007-01-25 15:21:02 · update #1

I want an addictive that I can use to raise its freezing point. I don't want to have to put the water in a special chamber with pressures and stuff.

2007-01-25 15:38:29 · update #2

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You can't add anything to water to INCREASE its freezing point temperature. Any impurity, including those mentioned earlier, will LOWER the freezing point temperature, rather than raise it. Remember, the freezing point of water is also the melting point of ice. That's why you put salt on icy roads. The salt lowers the freezing/melting point, which will make the ice melt at a lower temperature, and keep the water from freezing until it's much colder.

2007-01-25 15:20:26 · answer #1 · answered by baka_otaku30 5 · 1 1

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Keeping water thawed in the winter is a problem, and I can see why you're trying to be creative in a solution. But the answer is not in adding salt to a container of water. As others have already mentioned, salty water is unhealthy. You will need a fair amount of salt to change the freezing point, and that salt will effect how your horse absorbs and uses water. I'm sure you've heard that people can die of thirst by the ocean, and the reason is - drinking the extremely salty water actually dehydrates them instead of increasing their fluid level. So your idea was origional, but isn't going to work. You do have a few options. I'm not sure what your tempeture is, some of these ideas will not work if it gets quite cold for long periods of time. First of all, the easiest long term solution is to buy a portable water heating element to add to your stock tank. These are fairly inexpensive, depending on their power and the type. You can buy one for under $30, I think. They simple float on the top of the water, and produce heat which keeps the water in the trough warm enough to not freeze. Obviously the larger your stock tank is, and the colder it gets at night, the less likely these are to work. I normally have waterers with built in heaters, but a few years ago one broke in the middle of the winter and could not be repaired until spring. I took my medium sized water trough, filled it with water and added a portable heater. I had to build a cage over half the waterer because my horses were otherwise trying to play with the heater, so keep that in mind. I didn't use my larger trough because then the heater wasn't sufficient to keep the water warm enough. You may want to put a wooden fence post half in the trough, with one part sticking out and the other in the water, this is an ideal way to break ice. You simple grab the fence post and wiggle it hard, and you can break up the ice. I would throw all the chunks off the water ever morning as they also chill the water, and you will need to keep topping it off with fresh water. The other solution is - buy one of the buckets for these purposes. There are two types. One is simply an insulated bucket without a warmer. You fill that bucket with warm water, hang it in the run in shed, and it will take longer to freeze than a regular bucket. There is another type of bucket that actually has a plug in. You fill it with warm water, hang it in your shed and plug it in. The heat source will keep the bucket thawed all night. This might be the simplest solution for you, and will likely cost under $40. If you do not have a nearby power source, can you string electric cords that far? If not, then your only option is an insulated water bucket. And that won't be ideal, but if you are making certain your horse has water all day long he might be okay without water in the night. Talk to your vet and get his opinion. Good luck.

2016-04-05 03:07:49 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Freezing Temp Of Water

2016-12-13 05:33:25 · answer #3 · answered by ? 4 · 0 0

The Freezing Point Of Water

2016-10-06 03:27:33 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Not so much about adding anything but if you pressurize the water and add air to it basically a pressure washer with with more air than water it will freeze at a much higher temp. Kinda like when I was a mechanic and when you took the valve stem core out to empty a large tire 120psi the valve stem would ice up even in summer. So I would say maybe pressurize the water to even 120+ psi and air to 150+ psi into a mixing chamber and getting the right moisture could get you snow at much higher temps. That is kinda how snow guns work at ski areas but the pressure may be even higher. Colder the temp they can increase the amount of water and decrease the amount of air. I am thinking if you could get the water and air temeratures in the thousands with the right mixture you could get snow at summer temps but it would not last enough to accumulate.

2013-12-28 13:44:58 · answer #5 · answered by Robert Rolleston 1 · 1 0

Don't listen to these people. Salt and alcohol LOWER the freezing point temperature of water. If you want to INCREASE the freezing point you want the freezing point to be ABOVE 32 degrees F (or 0 degrees C) right?

The freezing point of water is increased by the pressure applied to it.... or if a strong electric field is applied to it.

The best (and easiest) way I can think of freezing water would be to make a thin layer of water on a metal cookie sheet and stick it in the freezer. A thin layer of water will allow the maximum amount of water molecules to freeze at any given time.

If you just want to add something then you are out of luck, physics just don't work that way.

2007-01-25 15:34:45 · answer #6 · answered by ChemGuy 2 · 3 0

Ah you mean "raise" it so it freezes at 40 degrees, or 50 degrees, in that direction? This seems daft, but the only thing I can think of offhand that would cause that effect would be to increase the air pressure, much the same way a pressure cooker is used to cause water to boil at a higher temperature. I am thinking that maybe if you put the water under extreme pressure it might freeze at a higher temperature.

Antifreeze, which everyone else seems to think you are asking about, would DECREASE the freezing point. You are asking the opposite, about INCREASING it.

2007-01-25 15:25:10 · answer #7 · answered by Kokopelli 7 · 2 1

I dont know if this is what you are looking for but I know if you sprinkle 10-10-10 fertilizer on snow or Ice it will stay frozen at temperatures above 32 deg F. To what temperature I do not know. I also know that Downhill ski areas that make their own snow, mix an active protein to the water that they run through their snow making machines that I am told raises the freezing point of the water a few degrees but I do not know what protein this would be.

2015-02-18 15:40:02 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Increasing the freezing point of water is not possible by adding liquids or dissolve somthing in it. The reason for it can be found in chemistry.

Water is a polar compound that forms hydrogen bonds. The strength of these bounds are determined by two factors.

The first one, and also the most logic one is the difference of polarity between Hydrogen and its bonding partner. For example HF will have a stronger hydrogen bond per hydrogen molecule than water.

The second factor is the number of hydrogen atoms that can form hydrogen bonds. This is the reason that the melting and boiling points of HF actually are lower than those of water, because the hydrogen bonds per molecule of water are higher than those of HF (average) and the polarity of water is bigger because there are two hydrogen atoms.

You might think now: and what about ammonia? Fact is that ammonia molecules have actually less opportunities to form hydrogen bonds, because its polar side is so big that it would cover almost an entire other ammonia molecule. On top of that it is less polar than water, so in total, its melting and boiling point are way under their water counterparts.

Conclusion: water molecules have the strongest intermolecular bondings, thus the melting-temperature cannot be increased.

One last note: The boiling and melting points can actually be increased by putting voltage on water (the bondings become stronger, because there are more electrical forces inside) or by applying big pressures on water (the water molecules become closer to each other).

2014-01-06 10:21:28 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

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2007-01-25 15:17:52 · answer #10 · answered by kwon 1 · 0 4

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