Democrats and neolibs, Can you avoid being a liar?...?

Question

If you can not do the following, will you for the record, state you are a democrat (or socialist, or any other anti-bush person) and then tell us that President Bush "did NOT lie"? (not doing so will be a sign of hypocracy and/or deception)

I'm tired of hearing some of you STILL kick and scream while accusing the President (current) of 'lying'.

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Can you document a lie from our President? Tell me the day he "lied" and quote the actual "lie". Then provide the evidence that he in fact, "lied". Remember, someone must know it is a lie for it to be a lie.

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Note: Do not link me to a 20 page website, and tell me to read it. This request is simple enough, if he in fact, "lied".

Also, do not link me to him being sworn in (or anything similar), because that is a tired old joke, and it would merely show everyone you are incapable of standing behind your accusations.

So far only one person could follow directions. I'll come back later to see if anymore democrats are capable of doing so, and I'll look into that answer

And the person "seeking truth" did exactly what I asked not to do. I hate to give a thumbs down, but i will be forced to unless he/she cites evidence, not a list of opinions.

Answer 1

Before the election, Bush announced that Donald Rumsfeld would stay in the Administration until the end.

After the election, he admitted that Rumsfeld's ouster was pending before the election, but he didn't say so because he didn't want it to be a campaign issue.

Excuse for it or not, when BUsh said Rumsfeld would stay, THAT'S A LIE!

Will you admit it?

Answer 2

I think it would be more interesting to see someone document statements the president made that turned out to be true. Citing Fox News or Drudge Report doesn't count.

Answer 3

"Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution." -4/20/2004

In reality, Bush had approved his so-called "Terrorist Surveillance Program" -- a.k.a. wiretapping American citizens without a court order -- in 2002.

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"One hundred and seventy-seven of the opposition party said, 'You know, we don't think we ought to be listening to the conversations of terrorists,' " Bush said at a fundraiser for Rep. Rick Renzi (R-Ariz.) before heading to Colorado for gubernatorial candidate Bob Beauprez.

Asked about the president's statement, White House aides could not name any Democrat who has said that the government should not listen in on terrorists.

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"I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees." -9/1/2005

Two days before Katrina hit FEMA predicted that Hurricane Katrina could be worse than Hurricane Pam. What was Hurricane Pam? It was an exercise conducted in July 2004 that analyzed in great detail what would happen if a theoretical Category 3 hurricane (Pam) hit New Orleans. The analysis of Pam predicted New Orleans would flood, a million people would be displaced and up to 60,000 could die. And two days before, FEMA said Katrina could be even worse.

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"We are finding terrorists and bringing them to justice. We are gathering information about where the terrorists may be hiding. We are trying to disrupt their plots and plans. Anything we do ... to that end in this effort, any activity we conduct, is within the law. We do not torture." - 11/7/2005

The State Department's annual report on human rights practices worldwide has condemned countries such as Burma and North Korea for the disappearance and indefinite detention of political prisoners without trial; while also condemning Libya, Syria and other countries for engaging in acts of torture that include hooding, stripping detainees naked, sleep deprivation, subjecting detainees to extremes of heat, cold, noise and light, threatening them with dogs, submerging them in water to simulate drowning — which is known as water-boarding — and other acts of physical abuse all of which have occured at U.S. detention facilities.

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"More than a hundred Democrats in the House and the Senate -- who had access to the same intelligence -- voted to support removing Saddam Hussein from power." -11/11/2005

Bush and his aides had access to much more voluminous intelligence information than did lawmakers, who were ependent on the administration to provide the material…Bush does not share his most sensitive intelligence, such as the President's Daily Brief, with lawmakers. Also, the National Intelligence Estimate summarizing the intelligence community's views about the threat from Iraq was given to Congress just days before the vote to authorize the use of force in that country. In addition, there were doubts within the intelligence community not included in the NIE. And even the doubts expressed in the NIE could not be used publicly by members of Congress because the classified information had not been cleared for release.

Answer 4

Remember Saddam seeking yellow cake in Africa. Even his experts at the time told him this was false.

January 2003 state of the union address.

Answer 5

Aha! Very good presentation. It's about time someone attempted to divide opinion from facts.

Funny how the answer forum is empty.

Answer 6

You have my vote!! Where are they all?? They were out in force last night! Must have whipped themselves into a real frenzy and burned out.

Answer 7

No I can't... but that is not going to stop us from taking over the world.

p.s. give up your car, save the planet!

Answer 8

Lies from Bush and his Administration to which he is accountable:

LIE #1: "The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program ... Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons." -- President Bush, Oct. 7, 2002, in Cincinnati.

FACT: This story, leaked to and breathlessly reported by Judith Miller in the New York Times, has turned out to be complete baloney. Department of Energy officials, who monitor nuclear plants, say the tubes could not be used for enriching uranium. One intelligence analyst, who was part of the tubes investigation, angrily told The New Republic: "You had senior American officials like Condoleezza Rice saying the only use of this aluminum really is uranium centrifuges. She said that on television. And that's just a lie."

LIE #2: "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." -- President Bush, Jan.28, 2003, in the State of the Union address.

FACT: This whopper was based on a document that the White House already knew to be a forgery thanks to the CIA. Sold to Italian intelligence by some hustler, the document carried the signature of an official who had been out of office for 10 years and referenced a constitution that was no longer in effect. The ex-ambassador who the CIA sent to check out the story is pissed: "They knew the Niger story was a flat-out lie," he told the New Republic, anonymously. "They [the White House] were unpersuasive about aluminum tubes and added this to make their case more strongly."

LIE #3: "We believe [Saddam] has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons." -- Vice President Cheney on March 16, 2003 on "Meet the Press."

FACT: There was and is absolutely zero basis for this statement. CIA reports up through 2002 showed no evidence of an Iraqi nuclear weapons program.

LIE #4: "[The CIA possesses] solid reporting of senior-level contacts between Iraq and al-Qaeda going back a decade." -- CIA Director George Tenet in a written statement released Oct. 7, 2002 and echoed in that evening's speech by President Bush.

FACT: Intelligence agencies knew of tentative contacts between Saddam and al-Qaeda in the early '90s, but found no proof of a continuing relationship. In other words, by tweaking language, Tenet and Bush spun the intelligence180 degrees to say exactly the opposite of what it suggested.

LIE #5: "We've learned that Iraq has trained al-Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases ... Alliance with terrorists could allow the Iraqi regime to attack America without leaving any fingerprints." -- President Bush, Oct. 7.

FACT: No evidence of this has ever been leaked or produced. Colin Powell told the U.N. this alleged training took place in a camp in northern Iraq. To his great embarrassment, the area he indicated was later revealed to be outside Iraq's control and patrolled by Allied war planes.

LIE #6: "We have also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We are concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVs [unmanned aerial vehicles] for missions targeting the United States." -- President Bush, Oct. 7.

FACT: Said drones can't fly more than 300 miles, and Iraq is 6,000 miles from the U.S. coastline. Furthermore, Iraq's drone-building program wasn't much more advanced than your average model plane enthusiast. And isn't a "manned aerial vehicle" just a scary way to say "plane"?

LIE #7: "We have seen intelligence over many months that they have chemical and biological weapons, and that they have dispersed them and that they're weaponized and that, in one case at least, the command and control arrangements have been established." -- President Bush, Feb. 8, 2003, in a national radio address.

FACT: Despite a massive nationwide search by U.S. and British forces, there are no signs, traces or examples of chemical weapons being deployed in the field, or anywhere else during the war.

LIE #8: "Our conservative estimate is that Iraq today has a stockpile of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons agent. That is enough to fill 16,000 battlefield rockets." -- Secretary of State Colin Powell, Feb. 5 2003, in remarks to the UN Security Council.

FACT: Putting aside the glaring fact that not one drop of this massive stockpile has been found, as previously reported on AlterNet the United States' own intelligence reports show that these stocks -- if they existed -- were well past their use-by date and therefore useless as weapon fodder.

LIE #9: "We know where [Iraq's WMD] are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south, and north somewhat." -- Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, March 30, 2003, in statements to the press.

FACT: Needless to say, no such weapons were found, not to the east, west, south or north, somewhat or otherwise.

LIE #10: "Yes, we found a biological laboratory in Iraq which the UN prohibited." -- President Bush in remarks in Poland, published internationally June 1, 2003.

FACT: This was reference to the discovery of two modified truck trailers that the CIA claimed were potential mobile biological weapons lab. But British and American experts -- including the State Department's intelligence wing in a report released this week -- have since declared this to be untrue. According to the British, and much to Prime Minister Tony Blair's embarrassment, the trailers are actually exactly what Iraq said they were; facilities to fill weather balloons, sold to them by the British themselves
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your problem is that you can't handle the truth. You have decided to place all of your loyalty in Bush and not in the U.S. No matter how much information people provide you, you will not be swayed. You have made up your mind that Bush did not lie. Do you honestly believe in all your heart that there were WMD's in Iraq. Do you honestly believe in all your heart that Saddam was an immenent threat to this country. This war did not have to happen. If it was about taking out Saddam, there were other ways to do that and not have the deaths of 3000 U.S. troops to account for or tens of thousands of Iraqi's to account for. This was personal for Bush, or it was always about the oil. If it was about the oil and you agree with that, then you must agree that we were lied to.

I provided you with the lies. Why don't you prove to me that they are not lies. You CAN'T do it. These are lies that you requested, rather than doing your investigation, you will simply brush them aside. As I said, you either can't handle or don't want to know the truth.