Why is it hard for white people to accept that there has been 2 black queens of England?

Question

I've ask this question before .... (How many black queens has there been in England).. And the amount of thumps down i got was amazing.So now i'm asking with the answer there in the history books why is it so hard to accept..Yor accept St George who wasn't English .Even those of you who believe in him accept jesus who must of been dark skinned coming from where he came from.So why is it so hard to accept that there was two black queens who were real .I could give you their names .But i would hope that you would look it up before answering

To serephina you are correct .someones colour makes no odds to me .And that's not why i posted the question .I have my reasons and i'll put them later .And to me they are positive reasons

Black London
A capsule history of Black Settlement in Britain's Capital



AD 50 Roman London
Earliest Londoners come from all over Europe and Africa
Africans served in Roman army. "Negro head" carved wooden spoon found at Southwark bridge is earliest African connection in Southeast London.



16th century
Black trumpeter at court 1507; and "John Blanke" served Henry VII at Greenwich and later Henry VIII.
Catherine of Aragon lands at Deptford in 1501 with her African attendants.

1555 "Certain black slaves" arrive from Africa with John Lok; and marks beginning of continuous Black presence in London.
Late 16th century, opening up of West African trade. Africans became part of London's population in seafaring centres like Deptford.

1593 First record of black person, "Cornelius", in parish register 1593.
1596-1601 Fear of increased black population in London and other towns leads to Royal proclamation by Queen Elizabeth I to arrest and expel all "

19th century
1807 The British slave trade is abolished
1834 Parliament abolishes slavery throughout the British Empire.

Steady decline in numbers and visibility of London's black population as fewer blacks were brought by West Indian planters and restrictions on immigrants from Africa.

1880s New build up of small black dockside communities in London's Canning Town, and in Liverpool and Cardiff, as new shipping links are established with the Caribbean and West Africa.


20th century
London-born Black people begin to make a mark in London life.

Continuous influx of African students, sportsmen, students, and businessmen.

Caribbean professionals gain positions as doctors,politicans and activists.

World War I
Black communities grow with arrival of black merchant seamen and soldiers.

They survive as the oldest black communities.

Continuous presence of small groups of students from Africa and the Caribbean.



World War II
Caribbean and West Africans arrive in small numbers as wartime workers, merchant seamen and servicemen in the army, navy and air forces.

Perhaps 20,000 blacks in Britain concentrated in dockside areas of London, Liverpool and Cardiff.

Learie Constantine, welfare officer in the RAF, refused service in a London Hotel and later wins damages

Answer 1

Ummmm. I know my history and there have never been any black kings or queens in England. Rather than me bore everyone to tears by listing every english monarch, why don't you tell us whom you are referring to?

You are how correct about St George. It is believed he was born somewhere around what is now Turkey. Also Jesus would not have been the fair skinned man we see in most churches. But If you travel enough and know your history, you would see that the image always changed slightly.

Edit:-

I'll admit I stand, partially corrected. Queen Charlotte it turns out was of black African descent but was so diluted, she was pretty much fair skinned (according to several accounts at the time). However, Queen Phillipa, wife of Edward III (1300's) was a black as they come. If anyone else doesn't believe me she has a a tomb bulit for her by her beloved husband in..........wait for it........Westminister Abbey. Go see for yourself.

Thank you for raising that. You are right,I and many others are wrong, there have been black people on the throne of England. You learn something new every day!

Answer 2

I looks like someone made an error at the factory! =) It is not unusual to include 2 White Queens and 2 Black Queens in a set. This done in case a game requires more than one Queen. Write to the company or place you bought the set and ask for 2 Black Queens. Keep the 2 Extra Kings and make a key chain or ornament for next year' Christmas tree! Rob

Answer 3

Is it not more likely that both ladies in question were of Iberian Celtic descent? Some of my own family is the same, what is sometimes called 'black Irish', and they are dark haired, dark eyed and sometimes dark skinned. Yet we have no black ancestors.

Charlotte's bloodlines go to Portugal, and the Iberian Celts hail from Spain and Portugal. Philipa's includes French, Spanish, Scottish, and Scandinavian and Hungarian (among others!) yet I could find no mention of an African/black ancestor.

Then again, I saw a programme recently that claims that many English people have a black ancestor and don't know about it.

Can't say the prospect worries me, and I doubt it worries many other people?

Answer 4

One of the others has already spoken of Phillipa. I'm assuming the second one you refer to is Charlotte. Her's actually has better documentation for her African ancenstry. For Phillipa you have only the physical description.

Still, I agree with some of the others here - who cares? Neither was a champion of black causes. Neither had any real power.

Trying to find a bit of black blood in white people or to make brown the new black sounds far too much like what the KKK did in America. Here, one eighth made you black. Is this what we need?

Why not ask people about Phillipa's contemporary, Mansa Musa, a far more important figure in world history who is unknown to many of those here and who ruled an empire that is unknown to many of those here in a country that most people here could not locate on a map.

Answer 5

I've read all the repsonses to this question and you get quite a variety or responses. When blacks and other people had everything taken from them - mostly their self respect- information like this is important. History taught in school ,strips away any trace of the contributions that many blacks and other minorities have made to our society. It would be easy for the majority to say we don't care because it doesn't mean anything but it means a lot to blacks because if the only thing you've been taught is that blacks are good at sports and music and are not intelligent people then when you start to discover that blacks have accomplished so much more -you cannot just simply shrug it off and say I don't care. When all people are truly treated like equals in every facet of society then this type of information will be common knowledge.

Answer 6

there has not been! thats why! (presuming your talking about skin colour)

Just because something is in the history book does not make it fact!

you need to take a deeper look and look at where that history book got its sources from then how reliable the sources are and when it was written! If you take a proper look back at the British Monarchy you will wind that there has only been 6 Queens (Mary I, Elizabeth I, Mary II, Anne, Victoria and Elizabeth II) all of which were white.

You need to take a long hard look at those "History books" of yours and then throw them away as they are inaccurate!

If ou were of course talking about "nicknames" or talk at the times then this could potentially be accurate, but the skin colour- all white!!!!

Answer 7

I learned this in Grade 10, and no one in my class found it hard to accept. Nor did my parents when I told them about it. It isn't hard to accept. What is hard to accept is that there are so many people assuming that all white people are racist traditionalists with no respect for any "coloured" person.

Seriously, don't blame anything other than the education system. Most of the replies here are dead on, in the way that they don't know, and probably don't believe it because the farther back in the past you go, the more intolerant people as a whole were.

Answer 8

Queen Phillipa, wife of King Edward III became England's first black queen in 1330

Queen Charlotte, Wife of George III and grandma of Queen Victoria was also a black lady

Are these the 2 you refer to?

personally someones colour makes so little difference to me I don't even take it into account.

Answer 9

It is really shocking that so many out of 39 replies to llamedos question asked "why this question and who cares?"

The fact is that the Forum allows anyone to ask whatever they wish. Some subjects are irrelevant to others, and some subjects appear to be so trivial that they do not deserve a mention.

I see hundred of questions on subjects that never even enter my mind and I ask myself "why would that person bother to take valuable time to consider such a stupid subject".

But that is their perogative. I kjnow people that save up all year just to go to a sports game, thousandsof miles away from home, when they can see a dozen games for FREE.

I know people who spend $6000 a year taking their cat to cat shows.

I just can't believe people denying others what THEY find interesting, just because they don't.

And how rude to criticize llamdeos's grammar. He/she is obviously not originally an English speaking person. We should ask ourselves "how well would we do in a foreign Forum?"

Surelt the members of this Forum are enlightened enough to allow each person to express themselves as best they can and on any subject that THEY find compelling.

To criticize a person, even inferring rascist overtones is very very unprofessional. I suggest, if I may that we RISE above that behaviour. Thjis Forum is too valuable to be degraded by loose or lowbrow comments.

Answer 10

I didn't know there had been two black queens in England so I have learnt something.

If you had thumbs down when you asked the question before I suspect they were from a minority of ignoramuses who are not really representative of the average person in this country because I don't have a problem accepting this fact, I don't care what colour they were and neither do anyone else I know.