I am wanting to move a bathroom wall a bath width into an adjoining room. The wall to be moved is brick/block. I have checked the beams up in the loft and they are running from the outside wall and resting on this brick wall joined to a second set. My plan is to build the new portion wall (3x2 timber with extra uprights) then in the loft drill through the beams and put 3 x 10" 5mm steel plates on each side and bolt through with 16mm bolts to clamp the two beams together. Does this sound OK? In total I will have to do 4 beams i.e a bath length.
2007-01-22 23:41:46 · 10 answers · asked by jimauk 2 in Home & Garden ➔ Do It Yourself (DIY)
Thanks for the replys. A bit more info, the house is detched, the wall I am taking out and the new one putting in are mid way on the span of the room below i.e all load taken by current floor joists.
2007-01-22 23:55:36 · update #1
Once again most of you who have replyed NO NOTHING ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE TAKKING ABOUT!!! so why bother replying.
For your info, I DO NOT NEED BUILDING or PLANNING approval my local concil has confirmed this.
2007-01-23 19:27:29 · update #2
It sounds like you are stretchering or joining ceiling joists.
you also interchange the words beams and joists so its a bit difficult to be sure.
beams hold somthing up, joists will just be there to stretch the roof rafters and hold the ceiling up.
I'll assume they are ceiling joists.
The 3 x 10 inch plates are very strong but too short, i'd go for something longer. Wood would be fine it all you are doing is joining the joists. 4 x 2 x 1m long ? Bolt through with 12mm studding and use 50mm square washers. Use 4, 2 on each side of the join
Do one at a time, build your new wall before removing the wall.
Check in the loft first to make sure there is no transferred weight or force from any purlings.
you might also do well to put a piece of 6x1 across all 4 joists in the loft and screw down into the joists.
You might want to check if you need building regs first.
2007-01-23 02:42:11 · answer #1 · answered by Michael H 7 · 1⤊ 0⤋
depends on if the wall continues down to the ground floor, making it either supporting or semi supporting. You may need Planning Permission or just to notify the council of the work so that you comply with Building Regs.
If you do the attic bit properly the load will tranfers down your new partition wall, but what will the partition rest on ? How much roof and attic weight will the new wall and floor below take?
If your house is not detached you may need to prove to the council that your work will not structurally weaken your house and thus threaten your neighbours. I know this is often over the top, but that is the rules these days because of cowboys.
To join the attic joists you need a BIG overlap to maintain the strength and use proper coach bolts with plates/washer for joining wood, to spread the load.
You may wish to counter or cross batten your roof joists to strength the attic floor and spread the load more. An internet search will show you how.
So there is bit more to it than 'Yes' and 'sounds OK', every house is different so get a DIY minded friend to look it over first. Good luck.
2007-01-22 23:46:31 · answer #2 · answered by dsclimb1 5 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Builders sometimes appear stupid, but I can assure you that when it comes to money they are not.. They dont put them there for nothing, its always very dangerous tampering with roof supports. I'm sure you can work round them., even if you have to put the new joists alongside them. If you are really hell-bent on having them removed, you have to obtain the advice of a specialist, who would suggest threaded steel rods bolted and WELDED in situ.
2016-03-14 22:35:50 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
DON'T DO THAT !
hire some acro props , set them up about a foot from the wall on both sides using a heavy plank to bridge the gaps (imagine you are trying to jack the ceiling up of the wall)
that done take out the top 2 or 3 layers of brick and then replace them with a lintel or RSG , depending on what sort of weight needs to be supported a wooden beam might suffice , go outside and look at your window that will show you clearly what needs to be done .
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2016-02-09 12:26:55 · answer #5 · answered by ? 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
That sounds OK. The best way to check is to get a builder in and ask for an estimate. Make a note of how he proposes to do it to confirm your theory!
2007-01-22 23:49:38 · answer #6 · answered by Spiny Norman 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Get a competent structural engineer, building surveyor or architect to do the calculations, design the work and submit it to the council for approval. You must get council approval for this kind of work and they will require professional drawings and calculations.
Do not do it without or you could face enforcement orders or worse you or your family could end up dead.
2007-01-23 06:59:18 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
You are taking on a very tricky job , if i were you i would get in a builder the way you are doing it, could have all your house down. the best of luck
2007-01-23 07:29:34 · answer #8 · answered by Mick 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
The safest thing to do is to get a competent builder in to do the job.
2007-01-23 03:19:11 · answer #9 · answered by MALCOLM C 1 · 0⤊ 0⤋
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2007-01-23 05:54:08 · answer #10 · answered by Bonno 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋