Has America forgotten the individuals right to a fair trial?

Question

It has come over news that the people being held in GUANTANAMO Bay will be tried in a court that will allow evidence obtained under torture and hearsay evidence to be used by the prosecutor in a hearing which will carry the death penalty.

I have added this comment for those who do not understand that there are people being held for 5 years under conditions of torture.Many of you are assuming their guilt before trial.David Hicks should be tried by an Australian court in front of an Australian jury.It is our law that should apply here.

David Hicks must face an Australian court.
Our law must take precedent.
We had people killed in terrorist acts too
and the questions must come from us.He must be tried by a jury of his Australian peers
The dead from Bali talk with Australian accents.

Answer 1

Great question.answer-yes, and Canada, Australia and UK. also have forgotten the purpose of The Magna Carta and Basic Bills of Rights.Liberty destroying weasels have crept into the western system and using people's basic ignorance and fears have subverted and betrayed the Western Nations and freedom itself.
The terrorists have gained a great victory in America and other countries.
You cannot destroy a civilization from without-you can only destroy it from within. And that is exactly what is happening.
Secret trials, unlimited surveillance, abuse of power, mistakes,psychotic lower level enforcers of the new laws, not to mention old fashioned corruption and incompetence have already started to occur with frightening predictability and resultant personal tragedies.No matter how you slice it-two wrongs do not make a right, and the ends does NOT justify the means.Two basic truths that the current regime for mysterious reasons totally disagrees with.
In truth, we face an uncertain future , now that 1000 year old principles have been officially abandoned.Just wait until a major crisis appears and a new Mussolini arises in the West.Some home grown historical psycho could be waiting in the wings.The stage has been set for a new Global Police State.

Answer 2

I would give these pricks as much of a fair trial as they gave to the people they murdered, blew up, and dropped poison gas on, tortured, maimed and raped.!

I applaud the way any evidence can now be admitted It will mean non of these worthless excuses for human being will be likely to get away with what they did or supported..

That includes that Australian traitor David Hicks! Fair trial for David? I hope not! Early release I hope not
The death penalty, I doubt it, but why not? Prisoner swap Hope not! Let the Bastard rot!

Answer 3

The legal guarantees you mention are constitutional rights accorded US citizens in civilian courts. Those rules do not apply to prisoners of war or even to military trials.

Define for me a fair trial by your standards. Exactly what rights do your countries give people who attack her? What rights do your own countries give to people illegally in your country? I ask that because I believe the rules we play by should be adjusted to the rules any opponent nation plays by. If your nation permits and supports human rights and a fair trial please provide me a link to that and I'll be happy to learn something new. But if your country is one of those that cheered when the bodies of dead US citizens were dragged through the streets I'll class you as somebody deserving of the same treatment.

But to be completetly honest, I do not believe in a fair fight, not ever. We have been repeatedly attacked. The last major attack was an utter outrage. Starting a fight is wrong, so is a sneak attack and so is slandering us to the world while accepting millions in aid from us. From my perspective it is very simple. We should pull our aid out of all those countries, we should treat their citizens exactly the way ours are treated and if they are guilty of terrorist acts we should publicly hang them. If we are attacked we start levelling whole city blocks at a time.

So far, things have been played with kid gloves and if some liberal gets into office it will get worse. Most other countries don't like Bush because he does't play whimp when we are attcked like Clinton, Carter and the rest would have done and did do. He fought back. We did not start this fight! We can certainly finish it though and we should have done so a long time ago.

Answer 4

lots as i like Michael Moore, i disagree with him this time. He'd have used the trial to rail against the united states. needless to say, there must be a controversy for an ordeal. i think of, although, that the international is greater served now that he's long gone. you spot that there is in basic terms approximately no communicate approximately him today. If he'd been taken alive, he'd have been the difficulty of information for two decades. Edit: in basic terms on the grounds which you do in contrast to somebody isn't reason to kill him. Even in conflict, you could no longer kill somebody exhibiting a white flag. in accordance to comments, bin encumbered replaced into hiding, and ought to fairly have had a weapon. that ought to make the Seal's action justified. although, had he surrendered correct, then he could have been taken alive. it relatively is sparkling that his movements justified being tried for mass homicide and achieved. although, to declare that there replaced into justification for killing him under any circumstances in any respect isn't ultimate.

Answer 5

These so-called men were not arrested on the streets of New York they were caught on a battle field. They were enemy combatants who did not wear a uniform. Now you want them to have all of the provisions of the US constitution available to them. What are you a Muslim extremest yourself. When Muslim terrorists start following our constitution and giving anyone they capture these rights then we will think about giving these prisoners rights. Do you not understand that these people would saw off your head with a sword if they got the chance. We give them way more than they ever thought about giving to anyone in the US or any of soldiers or the men and women who are working in Iraq.

Answer 6

Guantanamo is a military installation. They are doubtless being tried under military law. That decision was made by a U.S. Court, I am sure. I have not read up on the details, but I think in this case it is fair to refer to them as military criminals, and not merely criminals in the sense every Superior Court in the country deals with every day under the "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard of proof. That process is in place, and needs watching for improvement, but is fundamentally sound.

I think your argument is against them being tried in military court, or rather you feel military justice is not, in fact, just. Because the answer is no, we have not forgotten. This is a different case.

Answer 7

the whole point about this issue is that these 'prisoners' haven't even had the right to a trial (after being in detention for potentially years - 5 years now for David Hicks) let alone a FAIR trial. the whole system of justice is supposed to be about 'innocent until proven guilty'. so all those arguments that they are just 'terrorrists who get what they deserve' are irrelevent until they are judged in a fair court. then if they are found to have broken the law, then you can give them some harsh penalty. but until they have their day in court, you have to give them a go. but, [sigh] the US can really do what they want, can't they? evidence being collected under dodgy means is pretty useless really. and using it to sentence someone to death is pretty sad.

Answer 8

Look in America,you are guilty until proven innocent,why else would an innocent person be detained?If you have not been convicted,then you are a suspect or a person of interest,surely you should not be jailed until you are convicted if the rule of innocent until proven guilty were true.

Answer 9

And how do you apply American jurisprudence to events that happened in a foreign country on a battle field? It's impossible, yet if you had your way, we'd have to let these scumbags go if we couldn't prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they committed their crime. That's ridiculous, my friend.

Answer 10

I can see your point but I can't help but remember all those "rights" that Daniel Pearl got(he had the right to a terrifying execution) from his terrorists captors. Why I believe those barbarians climaxed in thier pants when they sawed his head off.
So I'm not feeling to charitable toward people who act like throwback barbarians and their double standard on "rights".