hall of fame ????????

Question

just asking all you fellow sporters like myself,should barry bonds be in the hall of fame ?why or why not?also what about pete rose?go ahead and vent if you must ...lol its just a question,i personally think pete rose shoulda already been there ,but barry?anyone who takes steroids didnt do it naturally..........lol.just my opinion

good answers .i mean that ,gave me sumthing to think about ...innocent until proven guilty..but one might have used steroids and one gambled..ones ability is in question,were as one did it on his talents,very good answers .ty all

ron santo ,goose gossage ,yes i agree they should be there

easy there kurt..relax..ask yourself if he did all that with or without steroids,and why he has failed drug tests,and if a person is innocent ,they will do everything in thier power to prove it,especially if your integrity is on the line,and i wont even mention possible perjury,but the numbers are impressive,if that was you ,wont you do all you could to prove your innocent ,all you have to lose is everything you worked for ,

Answer 1

I don't think that Bonds, McGwire or any player who used steroids should be in. They had an unfair advantage in every at bat. They are cheaters. It doesn't matter if they weren't illegal during McGwire's playing days. Cheating is cheating. Pete Rose however, should be in the Hall of Fame. He earned his stats. He gambled away from the field. Not on it. Not to mention, he is the all time leader in hits. There are many people in the Hall of Fame that aren't exactly of good character. Ty Cobb is a racist. Don Sutton and Gaylord Perry used sandpaper and Vaseline respectively on the baseballs. Not to mention the womanizers and alcoholics that are in the Baseball Hall of Fame. If they Hall could make an exception for those in particular, why not Charlie Hustle? Can you say double standard? I can. That is what I have to say and with every thing I say, I stand by it 100% no matter how many thumbs up or down I get.

Answer 2

Bonds is so disliked that it blurs the facts. It’s easy to see why he is hated. He acts like a jerk, appears to be very hard to get along with and is completely self-serving. However, none of that matters. What matters is "did he break any existing rules and, if so, were these discretions so bad that his well-earned entry into the Hall of Fame should be halted?" The fact is, despite what lots of people seem to think, it's never been proven (at least in public) that Bonds used steroids, especially in the time since it's been against the rules. This is America. I don't like Bonds at all, but the concept of innocent until proven guilty should override any personal distaste people have about the man. Deny him the Hall because of suspicions? No matter how well founded they may seem, they are still suspicions. Dismissing someone's accomplishments based on suspicions and an animosity towards that person is a risky path to take.

Pete Rose is different. Pete Rose is on baseball's ineligible list because he gambled on the game while an employee within the game. He has admitted he broke the sport's cardinal rule. There's a sign proclaiming "No Betting on Baseball" in every clubhouse throughout professional baseball, lowest minor leagues to the majors. This rule is as familiar to any ballplayer as their favorite mitt. The fact Rose did it as a manager does not minimize the offense.

There's another problem. If a man cannot even get a job in his profession because he violated such an important rule, how can you justify giving him that profession's highest honor? That's like presenting a doctor who lost his license because of malpractice the "Physician of the Year" award. Was Pete Rose a Hall of Fame player? Absolutely. Without a doubt. But any induction into the Hall of Fame must wait until he is granted a pardon from MLB, not the other way around. And frankly I'm not so sure that's something we're going to see anytime soon.

Thanks for listening. :-)

Answer 3

If arrogance were a disqualifier for the Hall of Fame, then Ty Cobb would never have been chosen, and there were a few others I could easily name. I don't like Barry Bonds, but he did not cheat - steroids were not yet banned - and his statistics are therefore legitimate. He should be in the Hall eventually. Ditto Mark McGwire, though I am glad he did not get in this year. Let him sweat.

There remains a controversy about Shoeless Joe Jackson. It could be called either way. Buck Weaver should be reinstated, absolutely. He did not deal with the gamblers. The other Black Sox can burn for all I care.

Pete Rose represents a difficulty of a different order. I have always disliked him (since he was a rookie!), but do not deny his achievements as a player. I think the best solution would be to let him finish out his life, then after he dies induct him into the Hall without ceremony, and with the notation at the bottom of his plaque that he was banned from baseball for life because of his gambling.

I want Ron Santo in the Hall, and Tony Oliva, too. I don't mind exclusivity, but I think the bar is a bit too high and too arbitrary.

Answer 4

Bonds belongs in the Hall of Fame because he was a Hall of Famer before he started taking steroids.

Lets not forget he was an extraordinary fielder and baserunner besides being an All Star every year before he started taking steroids.

Pete Rose would be in the Hall of Fame as a player had he not become a Manager and bet on baseball notwithstanding his own team.

I loved watching Pete Rose play baseball and yes it is a shame that being the all time hits leader and making the all star team at multiple positions that he is not in the Hall of Fame but he broke the cardinal sin of baseball by betting on the games as a Manager.

Interestingly he could have made it as a player, become a Manager after being inducted, and then got caught betting on baseball. Would they have removed him from the Hall of Fame?

I think not.

By the way, it is a shame that Ron Santo and Goose Gossage are not in.

Answer 5

Barry Bonds looked what happened to Mark McGwire and knows that his potential Hall of Fame candidacy is in serious question and may not be a lock. Even if he does run down Hank Aaron's home run record in 2007. The steriod allegations are just too much.....

and it should be. He might not have been caught but when you are the face of the biggest scandal in baseball since Pete Rose got caught gambling on the Reds, it doesn't look good for him. Especially the people around him are going down left and right as a result of the BALCO case. When he is stumping for Pete Rose and Big Mac, he is greasing his tracks.

To answer your question. No Pete Rose, Barry Bonds and Mark McGwire shouldn't be in the hall unless they bought a ticket like the rest of us. These men as well as Palmeiro and Sammy Sosa seriously violated the integrety of the game for what they have collectively done. If they get in somewhere down the line, you might as well let Eddie Ciccote and Shoeless Joe Jackson from the 1919 Black Sox in as well because fair play and honor is completely out the window at that point in time.

Answer 6

I personally think that if a person does steroids, they should be banned from the game and the hall of fame. All players should be tested. Barry Bonds' refusal to admit or deny use should be treated like someone exercising his Fifth Amendment rights-it should not be used against him.

Pete Rose refused to admit his errors and was therefore banned from the game and the hall of fame. He bet AGAINST the team he was managing at the time. This ban should hold since any admission is just a lame attempt to bring glory to a shameful person.

Answer 7

I don't think he will every be in the hall of fame. You can't prove that he took steriods, even though it is obvious that he did. The fact is that sports writers and the veterans commite both hate him, and since they are the ones that vote, I don't see him getting in.

Answer 8

I agree with you, Bonds's stats were based on his form of cheating, while Rose gambled AFTER his career, and we aren't voting him as a manager, but as a player, he obviously deserves to go. I think the next Commisioner will allow him back.

Answer 9

Nope, none of the roid guys should make it. They set a president when they banned Pete Rose for "cheating", so these guys should be no different... very simple.

Answer 10

Yes!! Barry Bonds will be in the Hall of Fame!!
You or anyone else has no proof that Bonds took steroids!!!
Some info why Bonds will be in the Hall of Fame!!
In 1998, Bonds tied John Olerud for the National League record of 15 consecutive plate appearances reaching base, one short of Ted Williams' major league record. He matched this record again in 2003.
In 2001, Bonds's slugging percentage of (.863) set a single-season record. He also slugged .812 in 2004, only the second time in history that a player has bettered .800 twice (Babe Ruth was the other, with .847 in 1920 and .846 in 1921, respectively).
In 2002, Bonds amassed a .582 on-base percentage, breaking Ted Williams' 1941 record of .551. In 2004, Bonds finished with a .609 OBP, the only time a player has bettered .600 over a full season.
In 2002, Bonds won the National League batting title with a .370 average, becoming the oldest player to win the honor for the first time. In 2004, he won his second batting title with a .362 average.
During the 2002 post-season, Bonds set the record for most home runs hit in a single post-season (8). Bonds hit .471 with 4 home runs and 13 walks (seven intentional) in the World Series, thereby slugging 1.294 with a .700 on-base percentage. The slugging percentage was a record; the on-base percentage was bettered only by Billy Hatcher in 1990.
In 2004, Bonds set the single-season OPS record with a total of 1.422.
In 2004, Bonds became the first player in history with more times on base (376) than official times at bat (373). This was due to the record number of walks, which count as a time on base but not a time at bat. He had 135 hits, 232 walks, and 9 hit-by-pitches for the 376 number.
Bonds has won the National League Player of the Month award thirteen times which is a record for either league. The next highest in either league is Frank Thomas who won the A.L. award eight times and the next highest total in the N.L. is only six held by George Foster, Pete Rose and Dale Murphy.
Bonds has the most trading cards issued of him than any other athlete in the world. According to an October 31 search on Beckett Online, the site catalogued 10,306 cards.
Record for most home runs in a season (73)
2nd all time for career home runs (734)
Record for most walks in a career (2,424)
7 - Time NL MVP
5 - Time S.F. Giants Player or the Year
13 - Time All-Star
7 - Time Baseball America NL All-Star OF
3 - Time Major League Player of the Year
3 - Time Baseball America MLB Player of the Year
8 - Time Gold Glove winner for NL Outfielder
12 - Time Silver Slugger winner for NL Outfielder
Led the Major Leagues in home runs (1993,2001)
Led the NL in batting average (2002,2004)
Led the NL in on base percentage (1991,1992,1993,1995,2001,2002,2003,2004,2006)
Led the Major Leagues in slugging percentage (1990,1992,1993,2001,2002,2003,2004)
Led the Major Leagues in extra base hits (1992,1993,2001)
Led the Major Leagues in on base percentage (1992,2001,2002,2003,2004)
Led the NL in runs(1992)
Led the NLin "RBIs (1993)
Led the NL in walks 10 diff. years
Led the NL in intentional walks 11 diff. years
Led the NL in runs created (1992,1993,2001,2002,2004)
Led the Major Leagues in total bases (1993, with 365)
Led the Major Leagues in runs created (1993,2001,2002,2004)
Led the NL in games (1995)
Led the NL in extra base hits (1992,1993,2001)
Led the NL in at bats per home run (1992,1993,1996,2000,2001,2002,2003,2004)
3 - Hank Aaron Award winner
Led the Major Leagues in batting average (2002, with .370)
HOW THE HELL COULD YOU KEEP HIM OUT!!!!!!!!