Why dont we copy the netherlands method of sed ed... It appears to work the best.?

Question

http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/publications/factsheet/fsest.htm


Given these figures... Why dont all countries copy the dutch and German way of teaching about sex and relationships...

Please go through the whole website before answering.


Absteinance generally does not work as hormones control behavour and feelings.

Likewise education does not encourage it as if nt interested in the first place not interested. Ie saying sex ed makes people want to do it is the same as saying you can make gays straight by watching 'Debbie does Dallas' and giving them free condoms


The dutch appear to be very open and start pre teenage.

Goose if you want to beat the government to it and teach in more depth fine...

Much like it does not matter if two people call an ambulance by an accident as long as someone does.


Shame exists when you hurt others... Sex is about affection not shame.

And actually back in the day people did get pregnant only were hurried away for backstead abortions which often killed the girls or caused horrendous pain and damage often leaving them infertile, forced marraiges or forced adoption whilst on a few months trip to aunties.

Or the realy unlikely ones were abused in places like this.

'The Magdelen Sisterss' should be in your video shop but the tv drama 'sinners' was more accurate if you can find it.
over 30,000 were involved up till 1996...how old were you at that time?
How many of your friends, you or your sister could have ended up here.
http://www.thewildgeese.com/pages/magdalen.html
http://www.netreach.net/~steed/magdalen.html
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0380703/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/drama/sinners/interviews/annemarie.shtml
Origonal documentry available from
http://cgi.ebay.com/SEX-IN-A-COLD-CLIMATE-DVD-DOCUMENTRY-REG-0_W0QQitemZ6437066430QQcategoryZ617QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

hows this...
Sex is not shameful but bullying is...

Ie immorality is mugging, bullying, backstabbing, poluting, hurting, abusing power.

You pregnancies or stds are simply negligence and screw upd (90% of the time being the parents fault for keeping you in the dark of what they really knew you were going to do no matter what as that was nature.)


As it would hurt to much not to.

And part of bullying if to sabotage someones ability to ever form relationships by holding them back so they effectively miss the boat.

Sabotaging you own kid so was always the one without a date, never anyone to hug or hold or feel close to now thats abuse.

Keeping them thick in regards to sex being a crime on par with not teaching your kid about snakes, spiders, jellyfish and sharks if living in australia.

Then its next to impossible to form a relationship as all know all about sex and relationships but you... All get comfort and warmth all except you..


Absteince only hurts

hurt all day every day when you are not with somone... And you will find mostly its only those who started in mid teens who get those they want .

Much like the job market... No experience no job, no job no experience. Those who got experience when you are allowed to be a trainee ie mid teens will always be successful, those who dont usually end up along and hurt.

This is why kids end up

Anorexic

Bulemic

Self Harming

Often addicts to suppress the pain of a life devoid of warmth

Suicidal..


Seeking an end to that kind of pain in the arms of another is not shameful... Even if some back alley, or party toilet, or in a club, in a car or whatever where teenagers often do it as they dont have a home of their own.


Many do not find Mr or Miss perfect marriage material at 16, many not at 18, 20 25, 30 what do they do?

live alone or take what they can get in the hopes they learn enough to be able to get someone to date them for more then a forthnight.

Teenage is basically trainee, apprenticeship sex and relationships

Ie L Plate sex and relationships

As a trainee you need to do the job but as new to it often screw up...

Its the parents responsibility and teachers and all adult to see you have as much education and support as possible with the more experienced helping you to avoid **** ups or fixed them if you **** up till you are old enough and experienced enough to handle it yourself.

But you can only do that by doing it.


Hence saying follow the Dutch who teach it all before the kids become teenagers so know what they are doing lick entering a job with training and a degree as opposed to nursery level teaching taught in late teens like someone who can barely read.

You kids will get fingered, phked, licked and suck others reproductives, felt up snogged and kissed, and like it... its simply a matter of when...


The better the prep the safer you will be...

You cannot stop it keeping people in the dark and cannot mark what brings warmth as immoral.

Only minimise the risks.



Hence why not copy the system which appears to work best in not only stopping pregnancies and stds but bringing up balances mature teenagers then adutls in a fairly peaceful country

Answer 1

Because of the US's puritan ignorance which is one of the reasons this country is hated by so many others. What works is the europeans attitude towards sex and the fact they accept it as a part of life, this country is so backwards and has a looooong way to go.

Answer 2

Let me start by saying, I agree with you intellectually. I think that all of the U.S. needs an effective sex education system that starts earlier, is more comprehensive, and continues, on a more sophisticated (and practical) level right up until graduation. Again I think the Dutch model is a good one, especially in its reaction to and use of education to prevent HIV infection. That having been said, how do you "force" anyone to do the course. Government (at least in our country) does not have that coercive power, and I do not want it to, even if is to "force" things I agree with (like sex ed,) I do not think the government should have the power to "force" people to submit to something they do not believe in. But beyond the question of "force" is the larger question of a false analogy. The U.S. cannot be compared to the Dutch because: A larger more diverse population makes such direct comparisons ineffective. In other words, what would those tables look like if the comparison was U.S. / E.U. where they would have to include the statistics of countries like Latvia with a "less sophisticated" sexual culture than Holland, or Poland where religion plays a major role in determining educational issues (as it does in some parts of the U.S., but not so much in Holland.) Finally, educational policy is determined locally by school boards. So some districts, like San Francisco School district can and do decided to adapt the Dutch model while others don't. So this brings us to our last point: 1) If you think that the Dutch model offers a good program for sex-ed (and we agreed that it does.) 2) You live in an area where the school district does not have a good sex-ed program. 3) Then go the school board meetings (they are announced each week in the newspaper) they are public meetings. Convince the school board members to use, study, look at, evaluate your ideas.

Answer 3

Sex is often up to the kids themselves, but they don't know what it's like, and that is why we have parents. A lot of the premature sex comes from the media... How many songs can you find that talk about sex?
Parents can do the education, and the government can control the media... Right?
They should try!

Answer 4

The biggest reason that comes to mind is that it isn't the government's job to teach my kids about sex... it is mine. I do not appreciate the government trying to tread on my beliefs and undermine my authority in my home. They have no right to start that early if I do not feel it is in the best interests of my child.

BTW... when sex ed wasn't present in schools, how many people got pregnant then? Instead of sex ed, how about we bring back the concept of SHAME?

You missed the point... it isn't about "beating the govt to it" it is about the fact that the government has no business butting into my personal life and the lives of my family.

Sex is about affection... actually about LOVE, you are correct. That doesn't mean that everyone who has "affection" at age 13 needs to be having sex... there should be shame for children engaging in sexual activities. And you know what, if more people thought there were actual consequences to their actions such as back-alley abortions, pregnancy homes, and illness or death... less people might be engaging in dangerous and immoral sex.

You can label me as a Puritan if you like... but the fact is until there are actual consequences of having a kid at 15, it won't stop. Teaching kids about sex earlier isn't going to help and increasing govt hand-outs to teen mothers isn't going to help either. The only way to stop this problem (teen pregnancy AND the massive spread of STDs including HIV) is to go back to sex being a sacred, special act, not some drunken, wanton expression of "affection".

Answer 5

People used to say, "The devil made me do it!" but I've never heard someone say, "My hormones made me do it!" I have a feeling that I will start hearing that excuse.

What you set your mind on can affect your bodily desires and reactions. Starting thinking about your favorite food and you'll notice your tummy groweling. Watch a scary movie at night when you're alone in someone else's house or in a foriegn nation and you'll probably feel afraid.

Answer 6

i know, america sucks!!!! we r sooo backwards, in my sex ed they dont even talk about 'safe sex' or masterbation, all they rant on is abstinence, so reallly the only thing i learned is, ' abstinence is 100% safe', and ' ur a sinner is u have had sex', and u know wats worse, we go to a public school.

Answer 7

u kno wot m8? everytime i come on here, ur busy having a rant and rave that there are teenage pregnancies in our country, or how they come on here and ask 4 advice, but come on! 1, u cannot make a gay man straight..trust me i tried...if he dnt want woman nothing is guno make him change his HEART...idiot, being homosexual is not a state of mind like u clearly think it is! the Dutch do things differently to us because they are differnt. its kinda their culture to let children kno things b4 we do...we just like child innocence too much!

Answer 8

great