Are Pro-Choicers really "pro choice"? What about the Fathers right to choice? What about the babies?

Question

Someone please prove to a Pro-Lifer like myself that Pro-Choicers are really for choice?! I mean if they were they would want equal rights for all those involved right? I mean all im getting right now from pro choicers is that they selfishly only want a choice for the mother and not the father nor the baby.

Answer 1

i agree 100%. if mom in unable/ unwilling to care for baby and dad is, she should have the baby and give it to him. it seems unfair that dads dont get a say so.

Answer 2

I guess the biggest issue is really just that because the woman actually conceives the child it becomes her ultimate right to decide what will happen, it is her body that undergoes all the change, so you can appreciate why some feel that it is the woman's choice. Although, I strongly believe that the 'father' should have equal say in what would happen and the mother should be open to discuss it with her partner. At the same time, I also believe that it is important to consider the long term, ie, will my child be healthy? Am I responsible enough to care for someone other than myself? I don't think anyone wants to bring a child into a situation that would ultimately destroy everyone involved. There are some serious things to consider. It's a sensitive topic...I'm Pro-Choice with the belief that all things need to be considered.

Answer 3

The father doesn't have to carry the baby for nine months, take time off of work to have the baby, risk his life to have the baby, and hundreds of other things that the mother must go through to give birth. Yes, the father should have some say in it, but he shouldn't be allowed to tell the woman what to do with her body. Is forcing a woman to do something with her body against her will any better than rape? If a wife wanted her husband to be castrated, does she have an equal say in it?

Once the baby is born, fathers DO have a right to the child. Most states will allow the father to take custody of a child that otherwise would have been put up for adoption. But how often does that happen? Not too often.

I really don't get the feeling that you want anything "proven", other than your views. Otherwise, you wouldn't be using words like "selfishly" and "prove it" and tilting your argument. Those who really want to learn don't asked shaded questions.

If you are against abortion and are Pro-Life, then fine. Just don't force that onto others with laws. Instead, donate money to foster homes, moms who need medical care, scholarships to help single moms go back to school, job placement programs for mothers, and programs to take care of the "unaborted".

Answer 4

Here's the thing.
Men have all the choices and all the power.
A man can rape a woman, even his own wife- should he get a choice then?
A man is not the one who has the burden of pregnancy, nor the medical risks associated with it. The man is not the one who might die in labor. No, as a matter of fact, men have no concern for the life of the woman at all, do they? They can get remarried and move on with their lives.
Furthermore, many men leave their wives after they've given birth. Why? Because they're losers. The fact is, a woman doesn't have that option. Single mothers are the most likely to be in poverty... do you care? Of course not.
Would you want the father to have a "choice" if the woman wanted to keep the baby and the father insisted that she have an abortion. Well, WOULD YOU?

Short story: Women carry the burden, women get the choice.

Answer 5

for the first thing pro-choice rs refer to the (baby}as a fetus its not a baby until after 6 months of pregnancy second is i believe in fathers rights if the father is around and able to raise the child not his parents depending on age I believe every expression like this one is damaging I don't like terms like Pro life I believe every situation is different for example:you thirteen year old is raped by an ex-con who was in jail for child molestation should this father have rights?or should your daughter have to carry with her for nine moths the memory of what happened to her?I believe that abortion shoul not be used as a form of birth control however some cases I believe in the right to choose and the state or government cannot decide this it should be between the biological parent when appropriate

Answer 6

Shouldn't we complain more about things that matter? The school systems, the fact kids walk miles to school in cold weather to get an education that isn't fit for a monkey, the hungry, homeless, poor, the elderly.... there are a lot of more important issues out there.
I think that both parties in a pregnancy are responsible or irresponsible.
I don't think that abortion should be used as a form of birth control, but I would like to keep my "Natural Rights" and have a choice if I was subjected to some horrific event. The mother is who would endure the pregnancy, not the father.
So you mean, I can't walk up and kick someone in the face with steal toed boots on, but I can force them to endure months of pregnancy (which I know first hand isn't a day at a picnic) and then go through the agonizing labor and birthing process ( which once again, isn't just peachy). Then think about who is the primary caregiver, men leave, or don't follow through in a lot of cases.... now that isn't to say that I think abortion is right, But I am saying as a woman, it's my body. Those who want kids... have em' by the bunches.... and for those who don't.... be more responsible and don't put yourself in a position to have to choose. It kind of makes you wonder, you can read the paper on any given day and discover a parent has murdered their children, drowning them, cooking them in microwaves whatever the way to die may be... why don't we complain more for the children that are already here?
Then there is the question of what... Adoption... oh yeah.. lets see, can you truly tell me that all adoptive parents should actually be parents, or foster care... right,.. I know of kids that still have nightmares. There is no solution to this subject, nor is there an alternative.
I did it once (had a baby), made sure it wouldn't happen again, and don't wish it on anyone. Parenthood, 16 years later... isn't all it's cracked up to be either!
Selfish, it may be... but if I take measures to prevent pregnancy such as birth control (which we all know isn't a failsafe) and your condom failed or you failed to put one on... Or lets say, I am the one who went through a forceful rape.... not my fault. Your telling me that I should go through that.. don't think so. It is selfish on both parts then... selfish of me not wanting to and you trying to force me.
I am lost in this it takes two people to have a baby crap... yeah.. years ago, but not anymore, you can buy a tube of fertilizer these days. Couple choice... thats a male cop out.
Maybe before having sex with someone, you should get to know them to make sure they want the same thing as you do, before they become pregnant. I made it a point to tell my husband that I didn't want anymore children, it was his choice to stick around.

Answer 7

The truth is that's a very one-sided approach to take. What about the mom's out there who didn't want an abortion but the father begged them to get one? And don't tell me that it never happens b/c I know of a few cases personally where it has. So the mother's choice may not be what the father wants in either case, but she still has the choice herself whether to have one or not.

Answer 8

As with almost all things women selfishly reserve their perceived rights to a double standard and this issue is no different Yes the Babies have rights as human beings and Yes the Fathers have rights as human beings but woman's rights are more important apparently. Woman's rights are more important than anyone Else's otherwise the rules that apply to family leave would exist for fathers as well as mothers, PMS is considered legal justification for murder but infidelity is not severe depression is not and Blue balls are not. A woman has the right to say NO at any time even after penetration has begun in earnest and was OK at first but try that your self and see how far you get with a (reverse) rape case. Your time would be better spent researching politicians whom share your particular views and values and help them get elected to office. Somehow I doubt you will be seen on the campaign trail for any Democrats.

Answer 9

I do wish that the father had some rights in the matter, but it's simply incompatible with the mother having the right to do what she wants. If we allow the father to say no, the state may find a way to say no.

As for the baby, it has no wishes so it's irrelevant. It's brain doesn't work that way.

Answer 10

(1) As a pro-choice advocate who is against abortion, I believe that no laws or decisions can be made regarding abortion without the consent of the parties affected because it is a spiritual matter regarding religious beliefs. Thus, any law or decision regarding abortion made or enforced without the consent of all parties affected violates "religious freedom" and is thus unconstitutional. Neither "pro-choice" nor "pro-life" policies can be legislated without the consent of all, or else the First Amendment is violated; so abortion must be eliminated by education and prevention that respects the freedom to choose, and any legislation must be by consensus of the public in order to accommodate all views equally without infringement on any.

In order to enforce "equal protection" under the law, all decisions must be made by consensus; otherwise a violation of constitutional equality has or will occur. This holds for both legislative decisions and personal decisions; that the rights and freedoms of all people are protected equally under the law.

(2) The problem with abortion laws is that criminalization would only punish the woman. Unless it also punishes the male, the issue is already one-sided. That is why the question is always framed in terms of women, because that's who would go to jail or be fined, or have illegal abortions, if abortion were illegal.

To balance the legislative issues, I would propose that laws also be passed that define lesser degrees of rape. So that in any act of sex resulting in an "unwanted" child, pregnancy or abortion, the male partner is held legally responsible. I think that would allow the question to be framed where both partners take responsibility, instead of putting it all on the woman. Especially since the male partner is either equally responsible for the pregnancy, or completely in the case of rape or incest.

(3) Many pro-choice activists are afraid of such one-sided laws oppressing women, especially using religious arguments associated with "male-dominant" or "patriarchal" traditions of men having more rights than women in marriage. History has shown this trend of men retaining property rights over women as family assets, so this fear is substantiated. Again, until that issue of equality and protection of women as equals is publicly established, you will find people fighting in defense of that first and foremost, since the rights of women have and are still being oppressed. Until you have an equal playing field, you won't see as many people fighting for the rights of men in this situation, where women are seen as the vulnerable party at risk of punishment if abortion were made illegal.

Answer 11

You are correct hun. The precept of pro-choice is that a woman should have control over her own body and decisions regarding it. It does not carry over into the father's rights and that would be a different precept and a different issue.

LISSA