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i am in a debate with my church, i have someone close to me who is gay and they church group have said that its not gods and that they choose that path.
i think that god makes us who we are and the church is wrong.
please join my debate and help me to open there eyes.

2007-01-17 03:45:07 · 35 answers · asked by murdoc 2 in Society & Culture Cultures & Groups Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender

35 answers

Let me say first that I congratulate you for taking a stand against your church and supporting your friend (or whoever it is). You're a great support system for this person. You're right in saying that God makes us who we are and that sexuality isn't chosen.

I hope you're prepared from the opposition though. Both of you may be harassed and called all sorts of names. And frankly, I don't think this is a battle you can win by confronting them directly, because these types of religious haters are only going to go "la la la la" and listen to what they only want to hear. The best thing to do if they really start to hassle you is say "You know what, screw you guys. God and Christ is love and if you don't understand that, then I don't want to be there when you have to answer to St. Peter at the Pearly Gates. Bye bye." Then leave with your friend (if he attends the church with you, that is.)

I also have a link that I will give you that has links to religious groups that are GLBT-friendly. If you click on one of those links, the website should have a button or something to click to find a welcoming place of worship.

I hope this all helps.

http://www.pflag.org/Resources.181.0.html

2007-01-17 04:54:06 · answer #1 · answered by Megosophy 2 · 0 0

The answer is quite simple. It's not a choice. Who would choose it if it was? Who would choose to be treated poorly by most of society

As a church-going person, I urge you to look at the recent news story about the preacher, Ted Haggard. As much as he wanted to be straight, and to convince the world that he is straight, that guy is gay. And no amount of praying, pretending, marrying a woman, or CHOOSING to be straight, etc., made "the gay" go away. He just chose to hide it... and failed.

He said he has struggled with it all his life.
If it was a choice, there would be no struggle.

To your other point, did God make gay people that way? Well, if God could change a person's sexual orientation, wouldn't God start by making Ted Haggard, leader of one of the biggest churches in the country, straight?

Give that point some thought. It might also be interesting to hear what the people at your church think about the Ted Haggard case, and what it means in the larger debate about homosexuality and religion.

Also, I hope the gay person who is close to you is at peace with his/her sexual orientation. Regardless of where it "came from," it cannot be changed.

And that might make another good discussion point at your church. Ask the people who believe in the "ex-gay" movement if they would be comfortable letting their daughter marry an "ex-gay" man.

Good luck to you in your debate! I hope this helps you.

2007-01-17 04:05:42 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

Hi,

I'm a Christian and I believe that there are some people out there who are genuinely 'Gay'.

It is NOT a life style / fashion choice - they are attracted to the SAME sex. Take a look at some of the effeminate gay men. They are not supposed to be with women.

In fact, as someone pointed out to me the church has made this issue worse. It has been proven that homosexuality is genetic - well by forcing gay people to marry (which normally ends in divorce) the gene is passed on through the generations.

You also have to remember that this opposition really comes from a passage from the old testament where some people chase a man to a house intent on raping him - the response "Don't do that wicked thing - here have my daughter - rape her instead" VERY CHRISTIAN !!!!!!!!!!!!

The church does need to look at this issue and accept the reality of the situation.

2007-01-17 04:05:34 · answer #3 · answered by David 5 · 1 0

The church like instituttion just interpreter the God's word under their own convenience. In this case against the gay people like a lifestye the church will be. I am gay and as of I have use of reason I always watched the men, I always loved them and I always will. I've never been rapted or sex abuse subject. I am gay for nature. The church ( I am talking about the church like institution, not like god's representatives) forgot that within them theres is gays and between them parctice the sex. Just here or read the news. Chao, Bye.

2007-01-17 04:04:01 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

You do not choose what your attractions are or how they manifest themselves. Sexuality has been proven to be an innate aspect of our being, if it were not, in all honest truth why would anyone actually marry or even consider being with someone else? Same -sex attraction is no different than any other form of attraction, you like what you like. The only possible choice would be as to whether or not you act on that attraction, the attraction remains.
You are born, when puberty occurs your attraction to either the same or the opposite sex manifest itself and that is that.
The church is VERY wrong.

2007-01-17 03:54:02 · answer #5 · answered by IndyT- For Da Ben Dan 6 · 1 0

The only way you can prove your point is to ask the church, ""If choice is a factor in determining sexuality then each and every one of you at one time must have considered being homosexual. Now stop and think, when did YOU make THE choice?""

That might sink in to one or two but usually people who think this way so are too focused on their self-validation through faith based righteousness that common logic is lost on them.

Good luck.

2007-01-17 04:01:30 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

I personally feel that i was born this way. I've never liked boys. even growing up...i was always on the boys team going after the girls, and any boy that said he liked me I would beat him up...lol....i grew up in church and my family knew that it was something different about me. I hated not being able to really tell my family how i felt about women early in my life because i knew that they didnt like my lifestyle. I didnt choose to be this way.

Why would i choose a lifestyle that is condemed, looked down on, and even hated. I cant help the way I am. Some people are even ashamed to be this way. I love myself and I love the way god made me....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2007-01-17 03:56:10 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

Here w go again, this question has been answered so many times before, but hey ho let's talk.

I did not choose to be gay. I was born gay. So i am gay. God did not make me gay. Mainly because I do not believe in God.
I was born gay, I am proud to be gay, I love being gay, being gay have it's plus sides you know. we know how to dress, we make fabulous friends, we love interior design and have fabulous homes, we have more money as we have no children to pay for.
we only get en in the best places. We have fantastic social lives. I hope this answers your question

2007-01-18 04:56:50 · answer #8 · answered by Ian G 4 · 0 0

I disagree with both statements. I don't think that that it is a chosen lifestyle in the slightest. As it appears in nature, I would suggest that its more genetic.

Further to whether god makes you this way, as I don't believe in any sort of "god" my answer to this would again be no.

Your church will see it as the bible wants them to see it. Well done to you for learning to think freely. Its a shame there aren't more like you.

2007-01-17 04:09:16 · answer #9 · answered by GayAtheist 4 · 0 0

it doesnt matter. Anyyway being gay is not a lifestyle only a sex style...i do the same things i did before i had the courage of living MY life in full. I dont need god to tell me if my true self is right or wrong. I am what i am and what i am means no excuses!!!

2007-01-18 13:16:06 · answer #10 · answered by whoknows 3 · 0 0

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