Question about the Middle East Conflict. (This is to Israelis especially)?

Question

So the situation between you and your neighbors is pretty bad.
Wouldnt ya say??

You say they are terrorists, they say you are terrorists.
They say they want their land back from your illegal occupation of it, you say its "not theirs" and is "not on the table" (The Palestinian West Bank (Your annexing large parts of it, The Syrian Golan Heights, East Jerusalem, the Lebanese Shebaa Farms, the Gaza Strip which Sharon gave up))

You say the Arabs "don't want Peace" yet while there were no suicide bombers, or Palestinian attacks against Israel, Israel was still killing Palestinians (The Gaza Beach Massacre comes to mind).

So here is the question.

Why doesn't Israel just move back to the 1967 Borders and Finally sign a Peace treaty with all the Arabs???

The Arabs have proposed this many times but Israel has always either rejected it or ignored it.

As in, Why won't you give up or give back the Entire West Bank, Including East Jerusalem, The Golan Heights and Shebaa Farms??

That would settle your conflict with the Arabs.

Rogers plan

Allison Astorino-Courtios writes: "According to the plan, a ninety-day cease-fire would allow for clearing the Suez Canal of ships stuck there since the 1967 war. In addition, Israel, Egypt, and Jordan were to meet to discuss implementation of UN Resolution 242 which calls for Israeli withdrawal from territories occupied in 1967 and mutual recognition of each state's sovereignty and indepence."

The Israeli interpretation of the plan was that it required Israel to withdraw from areas captured during the Six-Day War without any assurances of a lasting peace from Arab states. There was also considerable resistance among Israelis about the status of Jerusalem. As a result, the Israeli government determined that support of the plan would be "irresponsible."

The plan was formally accepted by both Egypt and Jordan in July 1970, with the full support of the Soviet Union.

Taba Summit
Territory
The two sides agreed that in accordance with the UN Security Council Resolution 242, the June 4, 1967 lines would be the basis for the borders between Israel and the state of Palestine.


West Bank
For the first time both sides presented their own maps over the West Bank. The maps served as a basis for the discussion on territory and settlements. The Israeli side presented two maps, and the Palestinian side engaged on this basis. The Palestinian side presented some illustrative maps detailing its understanding of Israeli interests in the West Bank. The Israeli side stated that the Clinton proposals provide for annexation of settlement blocs. The Palestinian side did not agree that the parameters included blocs, and did not accept proposals to annex blocs. The Palestinian side stated that blocs would cause significant harm to the Palestinian interests and rights, particularly to the Palestinians residing in areas Israel seeks to annex.

And here we have an Israeli "Peace plan".

Elon Peace Plan
The Elon Peace Plan is a solution for the Arab-Israeli conflict proposed in 2002 by Rabbi Binyamin Elon, who was the Israeli tourism minister at the time he put forward his proposal. The plan advocates the formal annexation of West Bank and Gaza by Israel and that the Palestinians will become citizens of the Palestinian state in Jordan.

It is considered irrelevant by the majority of Israelis and Palestinians. However, a 2005 survey showed a plurality of Israelis support something along the lines of the Elon Peace Plan (as contrasted with the controversial Sharon Plan for evacuation of Jews from the territories).

In more details, the plan calls for Jordan to accept the inhabitants of the West Bank and Gaza as citizens (in 1988 Jordan reneged on its claim to the West Bank and took away citizenship of Palestinians living there).

Those new Jordanian citizens who choose not to accept the Jordanian citizenship would become permanent residents in Israel so long as they remained peaceful and law abiding residents. All these actions should be done in agreement with Jordan and the Palestinian population.

Elon and Moledet (Elon's party and the chief support of this plan) propose that "Israel, the United States and the international community will allocate resources for the completion of the exchange of populations that began in 1948 and the full rehabilitation of the refugees and their absorption and naturalization in various countries".

Elon continues to advance his plan.

Beirut Summit
The Beirut Summit (also known as the Arab Summit Conference) was a March 2002 summit meeting, held in Beirut, Lebanon, between leaders of Arab nations to present plans to defuse the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. It became especially noteworthy for the adoption, by the Arab states attending, of a proposal offering a comprehensive peace between the Arab nations and Israel, called the Arab Peace Initiative.

The proposal, from Saudi Arabia (itself something of a novelty, as the Saudis usually prefer to be less forward on the world diplomatic stage) stated that should Israel:

withdraw from all territories occupied since the 1967 Arab-Israeli war,
provide a just solution to the Palestinian refugee problem, and
recognize the establishment of a sovereign and independent Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza Strip
then the Arab countries would in turn recognize Israel, enter into peace agreements with it, and establish normal relations with it.

Camp David 2000 Summit
The Middle East Peace Summit at Camp David of July 2000 took place between United States President Bill Clinton, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, and Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat. It was an ultimately unsuccessful attempt to negotiate a "final status settlement" to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Reasons for impasse
Both sides blamed the other for the failure of the talks: the Palestinians claiming they were not offered enough, and the Israelis claiming that they could not reasonably offer more. The Palestinians wanted a full withdrawal of the Israelis from the occupied territories, and in exchange the Palestinian authority would crush all Palestinian terror organizations. The Israeli response was "we can't accept the demand for a return to the borders of June 1967 as a precondition for the negotiation." See Norman Finkelstein, Beyond Chutzpah.

There were three principal obstacles to agreement:

Territory
Jerusalem and the Temple Mount
Refugees and the 'right of return'

Territory
The Palestinian negotiators indicated they wanted full Palestinian sovereignty over all the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, although they would consider a one-to-one land swap with Israel. As a starting point, Resolution 242 calls for Israeli withdrawal from territories occupied in the Six-Day War and at the 1993 Oslo Accords the Palestinian negotiators accepted the Green Line borders for the West Bank.

Barak offered to form a Palestinian State initially on 73% of the West Bank (that is 27% less than the Green Line borders) and 100% of the Gaza Strip. In 10 to 25 years the West Bank area would expand to 90% (94% excluding greater Jerusalem).

The West Bank would be separated by a road from Jerusalem to the Dead Sea, with free passage for Palestinians although Israel reserved the right to close the road for passage in case of emergency. The Palestinian position was that the annexations would block existing road networks between major Palestinian populations. In return, the Israelis would cede 1-3 % of their territory in the Negev Desert to Palestine. Arafat rejected this proposal and did not make a counteroffer. Some say it was because he thought further debate was futile at that point.

Jerusalem and the Temple Mount

A particularly virulent territorial dispute revolved around the final status of Jerusalem. Although offered much of East Jerusalem, the Palestinians rejected a proposal for "custodianship," though not sovereignty, over the Temple Mount. They demanded complete sovereignty over East Jerusalem's Islamic holy sites, in particular, the Al-Aqsa Mosque.

SO, there you have it.

Now who do You think wants Peace??? And Who do You think doesn't???

Answer 1

That's because they are just greedy for power and probably wants more..why is Isreal allowed to have nukes while Iran is not allowed then?

Answer 2

>your illegal occupation of it

Not illegal in one bit, by your logic we should all be living in Africa because borders can never change.

>The Gaza Beach Massacre

Hardly a Massacre.

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The Arabs have proposed this many times but Israel has always either rejected it or ignored it.

As in, Why won't you give up or give back the Entire West Bank, Including East Jerusalem, The Golan Heights and Shebaa Farms??

Never been proposed by the Arabs who train and fund Palestinians to blow themselves up.


Want to know who the true oppressors are? Their own brothers, the other Arab countries.

Answer 3

Why doesn't America give back the lands they stole from my people the natives? Israel paid for it with blood, sweat, tears, and hard earned money that is why. They are not going to be pushed around. And we natives respect honor and bravery. They so far are our allies forever. We know the pain and suffering that they have suffered from the oppression of these aggressors, the arabs, palestineans, what ever, had every opportunity with that Arafat criminal to get a state of their own but instead they lived on Welfare from the Israeli government and bit the hand that fed them everytime, for they are like the Irish were to the English. The crown of Saudi needs the Palestinean to be the aggressor while they sit behind the scenes and play the silent game. But we all know that they were behind these Palestineans, If they want to be a slave to that horrible tyranny of Saudi then so be it. They do not deserve anything, they are cowards. We respect the Irish for fighting in bravery for their people and their land. And if the Palestinean was smart they would separate and become independent like Cuba, and befriend the Israeli and then see the snakes come out of the holes, here in America and everywhere?
We know how to flush out the snakes very well. Israel has nukes to protect themselves and America Duh? That is the only ally we have in that part of the world Duh?

Answer 4

The arabs have never proposed this. This was essentially offered to Arafat at the end of the Clinton administration but was rejected.

Israel has the so called annexed land because they were attacked by the entire arab world and in self defense, won the war. When you loose a war, you loose land.

What do you think would happen if the arabs put down their weapons? Their would be peace and two states. What do you think would happen if Israel put down their weapons? They would be slaughtered. There is really nothing more to say than that.

Answer 5

Why indeed? Israel has disregarded at least 160 UN resolutions since 1967. But Israel has the US blessings. So Israel does as Israel wants. Is it fair? Is it just? NO, but they have the nukes! Survival of the fittest. Has nothing to do with what one considers a civilized society.

Answer 6

ignore relating to the biased Zionist nonsense above. Zionism is a supremacist action with international domination simply by fact it purpose. they choose the finished gentiles of the international to be wiped out like they have been doing with the Palestinians provided that the Balfour fact in 1917. that's controlled by potential of banking families who very own the international's critical banks equivalent to the united states of america Federal Reserve , financial company of britain, ECB and many others and print the international 's money. They manage the international's media, shops and many of its problem-free sources. the main mandatory hit upon in that's Rothschild and that's their inner maximum terrorist protection rigidity, the Mossad, which carried lots of the assaults equivalent to 9-11, 7/7 and so on that have blamed on Islamists etc to hire the western powers to attack their Arabs enemies.

Answer 7

Israel is God chosen people so as a christian I have to stick with them it does not matter if they are right or wrong.

Answer 8

there will only be peace when both sides treat each other like human beings. neither side is innocent.