What are your thoughts & feelings on feminist conditioning in schools..?

Question

Do you think that this has a major impact on the males, especially young boys, who are taught to not question, express disagreament, & withhold frustration, to the point of internalising these feelings & emotions; some of the false beliefs given to parents of young boys, from teachers are" well he must have A.D.H.D, or some other mental behavioral problem", when infact this usually boils down to him being manipulated by guilt etc, to be dishonest with his feelings & thoughts; The effect this can have on family life is enourmous, such as oh my child is mentally ill, or he isnt right & even sub-conscious messages, such as i'm not good enough.. which can destroy peoples lives. Boys need to express what they need to express, & teachers /schools ought to encourage this & help channel this for the benefit of the child, & unfortunatly society. Now to some this might seem as though i'm not supporting the females, however, feminist conditioning is eventually counter productive for the

females as, although they are encouraged with being assertive & capable in all things in life, " as good as men, even better if you like" the underlying message they are given & hold sub-consciously is, i'm not good enough as i need to be better, so I need to be dishonest with wearing make up, & must have a great job to be accepted by these apparently supportive beliefs of women, if this makes any sense to people, can you please give me your thoughts around this kind of stuff.

Feminist conditioning is not feminist theory, they are 2 different branches from one tree, which has been manipulated & pruned for the benifit of a capitalist society, ultimatly is about repression of anger, & of masculinity, which usually involves logic, anger & not passive comformity.

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P.s, any folks who went to single sex schools, is thier any chance you can tell me your views on the beliefs you have about yourself, your role in life & society, & how you percieve the opposite sex. thanks for reading.

Answer 1

I think it is going too far to say feminist conditioning but you are right to say there is a problem for many boys within the school system. Most teachers in kindergarden and primary schools are women, so whether they intend it or not their points of view are an important influence on young boys.Hopefully most teachers will try only to help children but inevitably mistakes are made. There are no easy answers but you are right to draw attention to the problem. The frequent absence of fathers from the child rearing process is another major source of the difficulties young males are facing in our society, in my opinion.

Answer 2

I can't disagree with anything you've written. I think that young men and women are sent very mixed messages which have a detrimental effect and from a female perspective, you're 100% right that feminist doctrine creates pressure on young women. I'm 28 and I feel the pressure to 'have it all'.

I'm not sure what the solution is though exactly. Evidence shows that boys and girls do need different things, even in their style of education. Boys do better in mixed sex schools while girls do better in single-sex schools. So, I don't know what the solution is but I totally agree with your post.

Answer 3

Yeah and women do better in spelling tests, too!
Okay so there may be an argument for separate schooling in there somewhere.
On the other hand mixed schooling, or coeducation as it used to be called, was seen as a way of lowering barriers to women and improving the socialization of men. My impression is that this has by and large been a positive thing. It's a rare thing nowadays for a boy to be so embarassed by actually talking to a girl that he turns bright red and begins to stutter.
It seems to me though that much of the conflict that arises stems from residual attitudes in society. Conflicts that males have with the feminization of society (or decline of the supreme male) are now fought out through their proxies i.e. their children.
I can quite imagine that this situation is far more acute in the US.
The religiosity of US culture tends to support patriarchal attitudes, while the testosteronosity of US society encourages men to build massive muscles (particularly between the ears) for the sole purpose of ripping beer can tabs and working the remote.

Augusta

Answer 4

The term 'feminist conditioning' is confusing. I think that you're talking about the advertising and media pressures to be a certain way (the metrosexual trend just being the more overt side of it).

It's a form of disempowerment intentionally designed to replace our self-confidence with a need to buy more. This approach was developed in 1950s America, when there was excess industrial capacity post-war and too many people in the workforce. Think Happy Housewife, loads of appliances and 'better living through chemistry.'

Fastforward to the 80s and 90s. Women have their own economic power. So what happens, house prices skyrocket, consumer goods become more expensive and 'necessary' and the emphasis on physical appearance even stronger, with more and more spent on clothing, cosmetics, 'pampering', weight loss and surgery.

It worked so well on women that they're running this same head trip on men. It's disempowerment, plain and simple. It looks like 'femininizing' to you because they did it to women first.

You're right, they're destroying all that is good and replacing it with plastic. Keep working with your ideas and looking for what is really underneath these trends.

Answer 5

In your question (if it is one) you don't specify what is it exactly that you call "feminist conditioning".
It's especially not clear as you seem to link this to childhood problems. How is women's right connected to A.D.H.D???

Do you mean that women should have no rights and just clean and cook for free otherwise their children develop mental illness? Or maybe that kids' behaving mad is all women's fault?
It makes no sense.

A.D.H.D is linked with preservatives and E numbers (E345, E219. etc...) found in the highly processed, nutritionally poor cheap food children are fed in schools and at home.
Most behaviour problems sparks from homes where the father is abusive to wife and children, more than where the "feminist" woman drives a car or has a voice of any kind.

If anything, girls are discouraged from expressing anger at all times, not boys, and the reason boys perform poorly at school is mainly because of all the "macho-man" propaganda sparked by action movies and hip-hop music, pushing boys to be reckless, action guys rather than boffins bookworms.

I take it you are a woman hater and want women tied to the kitchen sink, ready for a kick in the shins as soon as the husband comes home.

You'll probably disregard my answer anyway, I'm sure you just posted the question to raise other woman-haters' attention, so that they can write in say "Too right!".

Anyway, I better get back to scrubbing floors and get beaten right away by the first male around, before I'm mistaken for one of those nasty feminists.

Answer 6

I've read a couple of syndicated columns about the feminist movement virtually castrating boys. I agree whole-heartedly. Boys and girls are different and shouldn't be forced into the same mold. But then that's part of what I call the homogenization of America, where we're ALL being forced into a mold by a school system intent on churning out drones to work in the high-tech factories of the future. Individuality and individual strengths and weaknesses have been flushed down the toilet while corporate America has us by the balls.

Say it loud and clear, brother. Give boys back their balls!

Answer 7

I think anything which takes our anger away from us is bad. That is where most of the problems in the world come from: it is not just about differences between men and women, it is the difference of authority and the subject.

Answer 8

This is a question about the virtues of a matriachal society.

I would suggest that the effect on men of living, working or studying in a highly female dominated environment is to infantalise them.

Answer 9

oh please! woman getting the blame for a d h d?! now iv heard it all! also i whent to a single sex school and think girls would go much further in life if everyone attended them without the need for female conditioning!