Liberals: How do you expect our enemies to take us seriously if we cut and run from Iraq?

Question

Alright... PLEASE no "we shouldn't have gone in the first place" rants. I've heard all you've got to say, little as it is... What I want to see is whether you have actually considered the consequences of withdrawing from Iraq BEFORE they are able to take care of themselves. Please, bear in mind I want our troops hom as much as you. I've got family there. I simply refuse to accept anything less than victory, refuse to abandon those people before they are able to take care of themselves. So... With that in mind, answer the question above...

As usual, I see liberals have a hard time simply answering the question.

*yawn* This question is already proving what I knew. Liberals are walking cliches.

I'm the one not using my head? Huh... Gee... I guess I must be the only one here who remembers that Osama Bin Laden predicted the U.S. wouldn't have the stomach to finish the job in Iraq. I guess I'm the only one who sees the successes of THREE elections, a new government, a new constitution, put into place by the IRAQIS themselves. I guess I'm the only one who sees successes in closing of rape rooms and torture chambers. I guess I'm the only one who sees successes in the deaths of top terror leaders.

Here's the thing. I've talked to ALLOT of soldiers involved with Iraq, and their outlook is ALLOT more sunny than that of you and your demoncratic friends. If you support the troops you ought to be doing what you can to BOOST their moral, instead of undermining an effort and telling them that three thousand of their comrades have died in vain! USE YOUR HEADS LIBS!

Answer 1

You should also ask the ancillary question: How can our friends and allies trust us if we abandon Iraq hastily?

Answer 2

You assume our enemies will take us seriously if we stay as target practice for them. A year ago or more that it would have made sense to say that, now, with little support from anyone left in the country, and Saddam out of the picture, and the Iraqis proving to be the slowest learners of all time, we need to face the fact that we are the middlemen in a civil sectarian war. It take us not quit two months for basic training here, policemen get about the same, its been two years for them and they still can't take care of themselves. That's putting the best possible face on it. Our victory should be in removing Saddam, and in getting Qsama, if we got Osama, we would go a long way in winning some respect. So the answer to your question is if we cut and run, we will have the same lack of respect we have now that we stay and die. You want respect? Give them a new dictatorship, its the only thing they understand.

Answer 3

Who will take the US seriously if we stay in Iraq, deny the error in policy, bankrupt our country, overload our troops to he point of breakdown, and continue to use illegal weapons on civilian populations?

Your premise is flawed. Cut and run infers a possibility of success if we stay. The prospect for victory, as stated by this administration, is no different whether we keep troop levels the same, increase them, or withdraw completely.

ZERO

Every aspect of this war has been bungled from the beginning and this has ensured that it would be impossible to complete the stated goals.

Just a few examples are:

Dissolution of all Iraqi military and civilian governmental agencies.

Failure to secure the borders of Iraq, which allowed the Jihadists, Al Qaeda, and anyone else with a grudge against the US, to enter the state and prevent the security situation from allowing the installation of a democratic government or the completion of reconstruction projects.

The "loss" of 9 billion dollars in unmarked US currency. This was a big boost to insurgents and Al Qaeda.

The loss of and failure to document the serial numbers of thousands of weapons in Iraq. Money wasn't good enough alone, we had to supply the terrorists with more weapons as well.

Failure to provide troops in adequate numbers to prevent the looting and lawlessness and formation of insurgent militias within Iraq. Too few troops ensured that no matter what, our forces would be unable to maintain order throughout the country.

Using illegal weapons against civilian populations has ensured a local rage throughout the civilian population, again preventing any outcome that could be considered victorious. These weapons include Napalm, White Phosphorous, and Depleted Uranium weapons.

Advocating thee use of torture, and allowing the abuses at Abu Gahrab prison, GTMO, and secret prisons though out the world.

Failure to investigate and prosecute those involved in these abuses. A few token enlisted convictions does not count.

The execution of this war has been flawed from the beginning. This administration, through it's policies, has ensured that a free, peaceful, and democratic Iraq was an impossible goal.


Why don't they want to achieve victory?


A free peaceful Iraq would not require, or permit, the extended presence of the US military, and would not allow the construction of permanent US bases in their country.

A democratic Iraq would likely nationalize the oil reserves, and act in its own best interest, instead of the interest of US oil corporations.

A free autonomous Iraq would never allow the reopening of the oil pipelines from Iraq to Israel,

Wake up people, Iraq has been a lie from the beginning. The reasons for the war, the goals set, and how long the war would last were all lies.

All of the benefits for the US come from an Iraq that cannot govern itself.


End the illegal occupation of IRAQ

BRING ALL OF OUR TROOPS HOME NOW!!!

Answer 4

I will answer your question with a question directed towards you: Why do you think our Intelligence is too incompetent to protect us against another attack if we leave Iraq? I thought democrats were the ones to say the government is incompetent. Well, that is a double standard on the behalf of the republican party.
There is NO evidence that terrorists will follow us back anyway, other than the speculation that they hate Americans. A phased withdrawl is the only way because it is impossible to see this plan to the end.

Answer 5

You sound just like the misinformed folks who did not understand that we were wrong about the Vietnamese and their goals and ideals.
First, Americans thought we would scare them to death with our equipment, size and the cowboy walk we picked up on TV and Hollywood movies.
The Vietnamese were much tougher and better prepared for the war and the soldiering than we Americans who served in the United States Military.
Why? Because they fought to the death, and we don't. We protect ourselves with sophisticated equipment and armor and also high tech arms, but it made no difference because the Vietnamese would die like flies until they wore us down. But, not just flies, because they also had a terrible sting. 60,000 Americans died in Vietnam, and we killed ourselves well over a million Vietnamese.
According to those who see things now in the same way most people saw things then, we must win. But it is not true. You know what, you don't know what the consequences are going to be just like the domino theory did not happen when we left Vietnam. The world did not die when we lost that war. You don't know what is happening anymore than George W. Bush knew what would happen when he attacked Iraq.
And believe me, he wishes he had taken up swimming, instead.
Go ahead, talk, but don't look back, because the ghost of Vietnam is following close behind.

Answer 6

This is a straw man argument by using the "cut and run" statement.

I don't believe it is possible at this point to stabilize the country/government/people, destroy the terrorists and their organization, and leave Iraq the way we want it to be. At least not in the next ten years. So I feel it is better to pull out now rather then in 2 years with the same result.

Our enemies might think they have won. But at the same time by being there we are creating more enemies then we are destroying. I would rather have 10,000 terrorists thinking they have won then 20,000 terrorists fighting our troops.

Answer 7

I think a lot of us, (myself included) would love to see the troops all come home now, but to do that without finishing the job, would be a serious mistake. The Iraqis have to step up and take charge first, and we haven’t seen that happen yet. Once they can take the reins and defend their country, I am 100% for bringing the troops home.

Answer 8

We entered Iraq with bad intent. We actually planned on that country's destruction. If we messed them up, and then departed and left them with the mess to clean up, I would think that our enemies would assume that we had accomplished what we set out to do. Which should engender a respect for a job well done, what?

If I was a bully and saw my neighbor thoroughly , and deservingly trashed, I would have to take the doer of that deed seriously, wouldn't I?

Answer 9

If you keep looking for a military victory, or waiting for people to be able to take care of themselves we will still be there in June of 2075 when I hit the century mark. This conflict cannot be won in a military manner. And I think the only way to get the people to stand by themselves is to withdraw and make them do so.

Answer 10

By that argument, when would it be 'ok' to pull out of Iraq? Thats the problem with the whole thing. There is no easy way out. We can stay there forever and create more animosity towards us than we already have. We could leave today and Iraq would crumble causing more animosity towards us than we already have.

Do you really think your opinion is any more correct than anyone elses? We've already made our bed. We'll all be forced to live in it no matter what happens.

Answer 11

Do you think they take us seriously now? A rag-tag bunch of guys with much less funding and hardware are eating our lunch in Iraq. We kick their butts-- move out, they move back in again.

Sectarian violence, insurgency that not only won't go away, but stays as strong. New militias forming.

Come on-- do you really think we have a chance anymore? We did before, but too many mistakes have happened. The Iraqi military and police is a joke-- the same rag-tag insurgents are kicking their buts all over the place.

Now they're talkinga bout more troops and at least 1.2 Billion more of OUR yes OUR money going to Iraq for troops and REBUILDING efforts. How happy are YOU conservatives about hand-outs to Iraqis? You loath handouts here but are all too happy to give handouts to other countries.

When are you people going to finally admit that Bush and company have failed miserably in Iraq? And in doing so, they failed us, their constituents.