If children were mutilated to elicit sympathy and help, would feminists consider that a crime?

Question

In Cairo there exists a cottage industry which mutilates children to be used as beggars. The more gruesome and pitiable the mutilations, the more the beggars will earn. The disfigured children are placed on mats on street corners with a begging bowl.

Is it bad? Um

ONE IN 4 CHILDREN ARE BORN OUT OF WEDLOCK
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15835429/

DIVORCE IS INITIATED BY THE WOMAN 2/3 OF THE TIME:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce#Who_initiates_divorce.3F

THE CONSEQUENCES ARE:
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pubs/experiments.php

Children living without their biological fathers

* Are more likely to live in poverty and deprivation
* Have more trouble in school
* Tend tend to have more trouble getting along with others
* Have higher risk of health proboblems
* Are at greater risk of suffering physical, emotional, or sexual abuse.

Feminists point at this and ask for more money despite them largely being there due to feminist inspired 'choice'.

What's the difference?

BTW before someone goes "those marriages are bad":

80% OF DIVORCES ARE 'NO FAULT':
http://www.divorcemag.com/statistics/statsUS.shtml

See irreconcilable differences.

The usual bevy of hysterics I see.

Random6x7 if you want that information it is included in the Civitas study. On the lowest end of the scale it is double that of married couples and at the highest, ten times that.

Subjecting children to a negative environment, then holding up the negative environment as a reason for deserving subsidy is no better than those parents who physically mutilate their children as far as I'm concerned.

And feminists are lobbying for putting children in this situation to be subsidised. What is the difference?

Answer 1

They won't understand.

Women consistently score lower on tests involving verbal analogies, which is why these tests are remove from the SAT.

All they can think of is how much money they will get by claiming pity for children think think of like possession.

Answer 2

Uhhhhh, duh? Feminists, chauvinists, and any 'ist' you can find in between should find this 'bad'. What does child mutilation have to do with feminists anyway? Unless it's some sort of feminist organization that is mutilating the children and profiting from them, I don't quite get the point here. And I can't claim to have any first hand knowledge of Egyptian society, but my perception of the middle East is that feminism isn't exactly a predominant political view over there.

The links appear to be about as relevant as the question is, and your divorce statistics are nearly 20 years out of date. As for your "What's the difference?" question, which also has nothing to do with children in Cairo, I believe that women are asking simply for equal pay in an equivalent job. Whether a woman is married or unmarried, a parent or childless, if she works beside a man doing the same work, then she should be paid the same rate of pay as the man. Addressing your stats, children in single parent homes face those risks and negative results because parenting alone is very hard, not because the single parent is a woman. Single fathers face the same challenges. There is less supervision when there is only one parent carrying the load, less support for the parent, and simple math tells us that one income is generally less than two incomes. Not every woman who is a single parent is a feminist, and not every feminist is a divorced or single woman. And again, this has what do to with children in Cairo?

It seems you really have no question and are not looking for actual answers. Looking for a platform to air your views? Going through a particularly bitter divorce? Looking for a response that actually agrees with you so you can connect with a similarly skewed individual? Recruiting for some extremist group? Or just wanting to stir things up a bit? A waste of the Yahoo forum, I think.

Answer 3

Firstly, you are referring to a situation taking place in Cairo, but using statistics from the USA.

I understand that not having a father present can result in such consequences as described above, but I would think the reason for the rise of single mothers and divorce rates in Egypt would be for somewhat different reasons than that of the USA.

I don't think divorce initiated by women is looked upon kindly in Egyptian law and I don't think it would be easy for a woman to obtain a divorce without good reason, ie physical abuse or an unfaithful husband, which is very rightfully justified. As far as I know, a man does not even need to go through a court to obtain a divorce. He can literally just snap his fingers and the marriage is over.

If a woman needs to go to all that trouble to obtain a divorce, it must be within good reason. Should she be blamed for leaving an abusive husband, wouldn't it be worse for the children for her to stay with such a man?

There is still great oppression for women in Egypt, so you can hardly blame feminism.

HTH : )

Answer 4

1) It doesn't take a feminist to realize that mutilation is bad.

2) Are you blaming women specifically on the high divorce rates? In every case of divorce I've ever witnessed, it was the man requesting the divorce. My own father wanted to leave my mother for no reason other than "I feel like I need to". Now, as far as the statistics go, they may be true, but I feel it is in the individual's opinion to leave if they want. "No reason" could also file under the category of one or both of the partners being unhappy, or unspoken abuse (as I've seen several times before).

3) The statement "2/3 of divorces are brought on by women" applied to 1975-1988. Find some updated info, and we'll discuss this further.

4) What does any of that have to do with children in Cairo?

Answer 5

Yes that mutilation os awful.
Now on to your real topic:
Just because a woman initiates the paperwork in a divorce does not mean she wanted it to begin with. Also the reason stated on the paperwork is not always the real reason.
After my dad cheated on my mom & got another woman pregnant & moved out & said he didnt love her anymore, then yeah, my mom filed for divorce. My dad also never made much effort to have a real relationship with me; but my mom never stood in the way. She also only accepted minimal child support & never had it raised over all 16 years.
Children being born out of wedlock cannot be blamed solely on the woman. How many men knock up a woman & dont stick around just cuz they dont want to?
Also, based on what I've read posted by you here, you are obviously a misogynist & bitter against all women.

Answer 6

are you actually trying to make a correlation child mutliaters and unmarried mothers? (btw, just because a mother is unmarried, does not mean there is no father. and just because parents are married, does not mean there's no chance of anything bad happening to them) oh, and let's not mention the dad's that choose not to have anything to do with their kids, is that all the fault of feminism also?
and do you really believe that women make the choice to raise their children alone so that they can get more money? or in the hopes that their kids might some day suffer abuse? you're own sources say that being a single mom means a higher chance of living in poverty. sounds like the fast track to riches to me!

Answer 7

Most of those links are irrelevant to the issue. In this case the mutilation of these children is a crime. In the case of Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabricated_or_Induced_Illness ) its still a crime but the sufferer is often sent to a psychiatric facility.

In the 3rd World there are a large number of similar rackets. Like the Eunachs in India pestering people into giving them money. Your example doesn't prove anything in your case against feminists. It just proves that there are some utterly disgusting human beings out there.

Answer 8

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Answer 9

You're exploiting this horror to push your agenda, now?...Nice. As if you care about what happens to these children, or children who are products of divorce, or any children, for that matter. Your only concern is hysterically shouting "SEE, SEE how evil they (feminists, women) are? They are just like those people that cut off children's noses." What's the difference? Your complete lack of empathy, emotional maturity, and rational thought, plus your inability to see others (women, and obviously children as well) as any thing other than objects to be demonized or exploited, make such a "discussion" impossible. Besides, you are not "asking" anyway, you've made up your mind....so what's the point? You are not going to convince sane, rational people of your position, and sane rational people shouldn't even TRY to convince you to see reason. DONE.

Answer 10

Know what you are, Happy Bullet? A BSer. A person who blathers, not caring whether he tells the truth or not, because his intention is to manipulate people to his point of view. This time you may be telling the truth, but who cares. You lost my interest and respect just after the story of the poor Cairo children. I do not let BSers manipulate me.

Answer 11

Perhaps the reason that these kids live in poverty so often is because our society still pays women 76 cents to every dollar their male counterparts receive, regardless of educational level or job commitment.

I would like to see the likelihood of each of these things happening, and I would also like to see what happens to kids in unhappy marriages. It's incredibly damaging to kids for their parents to be miserable, also.