So if Big Mac, Bonds, and Sosa get into the HOF then why not Pete Rose?

Answer 1

Just to confirm...AGAIN....Pete NEVER bet against his own team, & he was not suspected of throwing games as one early post mentioned. In addition, gambling is not illegal.....it is forbidden by baseball rules & tradition.

He did voluntarily sign an agreement w MLB banning him from HOF consideration/membership. Why he did it, only he knows.

Still, despite the arguments about illegal/legal, that isn't the issue. Rose broke rules....he DID NOT cheat to achieve his stats.

I feel Rose deserves to be in, tho I don't expect it in my lifetime (I'm 51) And yes I think Joe Jackson deserves a plaque in Cooperstown as well. Both of them were GREAT players, and that is what the HOF is all about,

Answer 2

I honestly think the only one of the players that will make it in is Rose. Bonds is probably the best out of the four, as he could field and steal earlier in his career. I never thought Big Mac was Hall-worthy, with or without steroids, being a homer machine doesn't make you a Hall Of Famer, Sosa, maybe, because he could hit homers and sometimes get basehits (never got 200). Rose was just great though, he was an All-Star at five different positions, he could field, and was a great hitter. Big Mac isn't going in, Sosa won't go in, and Bonds MIGHT get in, but I highly doubt it. One day they are going to realize Pete's learned his lesson and he was a great player who deserves to be in the Hall. Until there is proof that Sosa, Mark, and Bonds didn't take performance-enhancing drugs, they're not going in.

Answer 3

Big Mac, Bonds, and Sosa haven't gotten in to the hall of fame. A lot of HOF'ers have said that they will not even go to ceremonies for those guys even if they were voted in.
But surveys of HOF voters have shown that Big Mac (up for possible induction this year) would only get around 25% of the votes needed. Players need around 75% to get in.

Pete Rose on the other hand has the legit stats to get in. He's Charlie Hustle. But he's also the guy who bet on baseball. His own team as a matter of fact. He said he never bet the Reds to lose, but that doesn't mean that he never took certain players out to make sure the spread was going to work in his favor.

Same as the Chicago Black Sox. Shoeless Joe Jackson is still out of the HOF.....


(And remember, Big Mac took things that weren't illegal at the time. And some of the things he was accused of taking, isn't even tested for in todays major leagues......)

Answer 4

There is no guarantee yet they are in the Hall of Fame. The ballot casting has not been displayed, Bonds is still active, and both Bonds and Sosa will not be on the ballot for a long time. There is a good chance McGwire won't get elected, with the controversy about the steroids surrounding him. The jury is still out on Bonds and Sosa, but Rose won't get in for the same reason people like Joe Jackson won't get in, except Joe Jackson was innocent. The Commissioner, Kenesaw Mountain Landis was just a jerk in that respect.

Answer 5

pete rose cheated on baseball so as bonds but not Sosa and McGuire because big mac's 65 and up hr hits were all juiced. I'm talking about the baseballs. he didn't takes steroids ever in his career. Sosa might come back but he has a steroid shadow over him and i believe he didn't take steroids either because he was always a big guy and always had power. but one thing i cant believe is that big mac nd Sosa told the truth but bonds lied and right now if bonds retired bonds had a 20% higher percentage of making it to the hall of fame than big mac and Sosa has together. it just makes no sense

Answer 6

Well, there are a couple of reasons why Big Mac, Barry Bonds and Sosa has a better chance than Pete Rose getting into the HOF. One reason is that gambling supposedly is supposedly is the ultimate taboo in baseball, at least it has been ever since the Black Sox scandal of 1919. Some voters might forgive the supposed "steroids users", because but not Rose.
Two: Who's says steroids use was only limited to pitchers? If we already have one confirmed case of at least one pitcher of using HGH, then how can we believe that others pitchers didn't. And if a pitcher on the "juice" pitch to a batter on the "juice" than doesn't two wrong make a right in that scenario and shouldn't that at bat count

Three: It wasn't against the rules: Here's is another argument for letting Bonds or Sosa or Big Mac in. It wasn't against the rules for anyone in MLB to use steroids. Just like fixing a ball game wasn't illegal in 1919 the rules weren't intact to forbid anyone in MLB from using steroids or other performance enhancing drugs, so if anyone is to be blamed its MLB for turning a blind eye when this was happening.

While Pete Rose argument was that he has the numbers to be in it. Even though this may be true he knowingly broke a rule that forbids players from betting on games.
Just to clarify what another user posted for this answer. Pete Rose never bet against his own team. All the evidence that was made public only showed that Rose bet that his team would win.

My personal opinion is that Big Mac Bond, Sosa, Palmero or anyone else should be allowed to be in the Hall of Fame. And also the ban of the White Sox players in 1919 should be lifted, before Pete Rose should be reinstated. And I personally believe that Pete Rose not coming clean, until at least to one person eyes he only decided to come clean when he had something to gain financially hurt his case. If anyone used steroids during the 1990's or before it was not actually against, the rule in baseball. And yes if they did they were breaking the law, but if you are going to use them to set an example or to use them to pretend that baseball has always been clean and pure you might as well take down the plaques of all the players that used illegal drugs, and all those players who drank during prohibition. If you want to burn Bonds and Mcgwire for breaking the law, even though they have never been indicted or tested positive shouldn't we take down the plaque of Babe Ruth, I mean he was only disobeying the United States Constitution. And talking about the law the Black Sox never broke the law. There was no law for players to Fix any games including the World Series, and they were other scandal involving possible fixing of games after the 1919 season one of them included the great TY Cobb

Answer 7

What Bonds, McGwire and Sosa were doing when they were doing it did nothing to break the rules at the time.

Rose not only broke the rules, he did so repeatedly. And the ways that he did this are probably the equivalent of insider trading. That one gets you thrown in jail by the SEC. Then of course, there's the fact that the lengthy investigation and his attitude throughout it almost certainly had a role in the timing of Bart Gimatti's death.

Why,with all of that, should Rose ever be mentioned on a HOF ballot? And there is no guarantee, given the current environment in and around baseball, that any of Bonds, McGwire or Sosa will ever be enshrined themselves.

Answer 8

Big Mac,Bonds and Sosa you be in the Hall because they put up the numbers that help change the game.The other thing with those any if did take something it was not against the rules of baseball at the time they were doing it.The all have passed test when they were given to them atfer the band.With Pete all his number were great but he bet against his own team,that right there is just uncool.

Answer 9

Pete Rose deserves in the hall, just like sosa, mac, and bonds.

Answer 10

BOnds, McGuire and Sosa are not guilty of anything....yet. We may all feel that they used steroids, but the truth is that we don't know for a fact. We know that McGuire used Andro, which was legal, and he was very honest and forward with that. I am agaisnt keeping somebody out of the HOF because we think something, or they were accused of something. I say put them in and if we find out that they are indeed guilty, then they should be taken out. I would find it ultimately worse to be elected and then kicked out, then never be in at all.

That's just me though.