Kansas City is dead serious of gettting an NHL franchise, like Penguins, they offered the Penguins to play rent free, which is a big plus for the owners of the Penguins, but I rather not see them move because its Kansas City, I dont think they are ready for an NHL franchise, it is already bad with the Royals, and their NFL team, I would rather see the frachinse move to Winnipeg or Quebec.
2007-01-04 14:17:20 · 15 answers · asked by Billy 2 in Sports ➔ Hockey
PITTSBURGH PENGUINS FACTS:
Expansion team when the NHL doubled in size for the start of 1967-68 Season
The Penguins almost folded in 1975 when their creditors demanded payment of back debts. A group that included Wren Blair stepped in and prevented the Penguins from folding. Pittsburgh had the league's worst record in both the 1983 and 1984 seasons and it looked as though the Penguins would fold. The reward for such pitiful hockey was the right to draft French Canadian phenomenon Mario Lemieux. Other teams offered substantial trade packages for the draft choice, but the Penguins kept the pick and a legend was born. The Penguins suffered small-market syndrome for most of their existence, and cost-cutting prevented another collapse into insolvency. Financially, the team was one of the better-managed NHL franchises between its 1998 bankruptcy and the 2004-05 NHL lockout. Thanks to significant post-season runs, the Penguins broke even in 2000 and turned a small profit in 2001. Failure to make the playoffs in the next three seasons hurt the team's bottom line, but the shedding of contracts kept the team afloat as other franchises, like the Ottawa Senators, faced significant losses or declared bankruptcy.
BUT KANSAS CITY HAD THE NHL & FAILED:
Kansas City was awarded an NHL franchise on June 8, 1972. The Scouts were an expansion team with no star players the NHL wasn't as popular in the 70s as it is today and both the NHL and NBA's attendance in the 70s were hurt by a sluggish economy. They played their home games at Kemper Arena. The team was not a particular success either at the gate or on the ice. Rising oil prices and a falling commodity market made for hard going in the Midwest during the 1970s. After two seasons, with its owners $900,000 in debt, the franchise was sold & relocated to Denver where it became the Colorado Rockies, who in turn became the New Jersey Devils after 1982. The NHL has also failed in ATLANTA & DENVER but both are back in the NHL & the Avalanche are one of the most sucesful NHL teams in north america.
ARENA COSTS:
The Pittsburgh Penguins could play rent-free and be equal managing partners in the new Sprint Center if they move to Kansas City. The Penguins would not have to buy into the management agreement for the $276 million Sprint Center. Aditional Options to pay $27 million(THIS COST WILL BE TAKEN OUT OF FUTURE PROFITS NOTHING UPFRONT ) to AEG the company who manages Sprint Center and share management and revenue equally with AEG from concerts or other events at the Sprint Center
COST TO STAY IN PITTSBURGH:
Current Plan B for new arena in Pittsburgh being proposed by local politicians Requires $8.5 million be paid upfront. Pay $4 million annually for 30 years. Total out of pocket expense required by Penguins ownership over 30 years = $128.5 million.
IS PITTSBURGH DEAL POSSABLE:
EST. Cost of Construction $225 million
Heinz Field, cost $281 million
PNC Park, cost $216 Million
(YOU DO THE MATH)
OTHER FACTS:
Dission due within 30 days
pittsburgh Plan B offer is a starting point says Gov. Ed Rendell (1-5-2007) the state could do better than that
"We're going to assess the Penguins' position, but there can't be a free arena,"
No additional meetings with pittsburgh officials are planed as to date
Attendance Figures in Pittsburgh:
2001-02: 15,649 (Ranked 22nd in NHL)
2002-03: 14,749 (Ranked 25th in NHL)
2003-04: 11,877 (Ranked 30th in NHL)
2004-05: SEASON CANCELLED
2005-06: 15,804 (Ranked 20th in NHL)
2006-07: 15,888 (Ranks 20th in NHL)
Year-by-year attendance figures for the Pittsburgh Penguins of the National Hockey League.
Team Year G Total Average
Pittsburgh Penguins 1967-68 37 274,049 7,407
Pittsburgh Penguins 1968-69 38 228,285 6,008
Pittsburgh Penguins 1969-70 38 265,936 6,998
Pittsburgh Penguins 1970-71 39 377,182 9,671
Pittsburgh Penguins 1971-72 39 375,711 9,634
Pittsburgh Penguins 1972-73 39 436,601 11,195
Pittsburgh Penguins 1973-74 39 396,197 10,159
Pittsburgh Penguins 1974-75 40 448,977 11,224
Pittsburgh Penguins 1975-76 40 458,198 11,455
Pittsburgh Penguins 1976-77 40 401,580 10,040
Pittsburgh Penguins 1977-78 40 421,933 10,548
Pittsburgh Penguins 1978-79 40 457,209 11,430
Pittsburgh Penguins 1979-80 40 426,156 10,654
Pittsburgh Penguins 1980-81 40 413,407 10,335
Pittsburgh Penguins 1981-82 40 451,965 11,299
Pittsburgh Penguins 1982-83 40 336,300 8,408
Pittsburgh Penguins 1983-84 40 273,550 6,839
Pittsburgh Penguins 1984-85 40 400,711 10,018
Pittsburgh Penguins 1985-86 40 503,020 12,576
Pittsburgh Penguins 1986-87 40 598,614 14,965
Pittsburgh Penguins 1987-88 40 606,638 15,166
Pittsburgh Penguins 1988-89 40 629,345 15,734
Pittsburgh Penguins 1989-90 40 640,700 16,018
Pittsburgh Penguins 1990-91 40 637,072 15,927
Pittsburgh Penguins 1991-92 40 639,736 15,993
Pittsburgh Penguins 1992-93 41 660,290 16,105
Pittsburgh Penguins 1993-94 41 685,919 16,730
Pittsburgh Penguins 1994-95 24 386,599 16,108
Pittsburgh Penguins 1995-96 41 675,147 16,467
Pittsburgh Penguins 1996-97 41 684,322 16,691
Pittsburgh Penguins 1997-98 41 617,900 15,071
Pittsburgh Penguins 1998-99 41 607,825 14,825
Pittsburgh Penguins 1999-00 41 633,199 15,444
Pittsburgh Penguins 2000-01 41 669,806 16,337
Pittsburgh Penguins 2001-02 41 641,615 14,749
Pittsburgh Penguins 2003-04 41 486,961 11,877
Pittsburgh Penguins 2004-05 SEASON CANCELLED
Pittsburgh Penguins 2005-06 41 647,975 15,804
2007-01-07 21:54:44 · answer #1 · answered by Tammy F 5 · 1⤊ 0⤋
That would be so sad for the fans in Pittsburgh, damn politicians! The future Sprint Center is very nice and yes the offer is unbelieveble but I cannot picture the Pens somewhere else! Somehow it will kill this beautiful story of Mario as a Pens legend and the past Stanley Cup won. But with that offer from the Kansas City people, it should put serious pressure to the Pennsylvania governor or whoever takes the desicions...
2007-01-04 23:10:08 · answer #2 · answered by AbsoluteMart! 4 · 3⤊ 0⤋
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2014-05-30 04:57:56 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
I'd like them to stay where they are. I've enjoyed the rivalry that the Flyers have had with them for the 32 years I've been following hockey.
Winnipeg "deserves" a team, but that isn't going to happen unless an out-of-this-world deal is struck that can offset the disparity in value between the Canadian and American dollars.
Hang in there Penguins fans, this Flyers fan is rooting for you. Heck, if a stadium deal could be done 3 times in Philly, then Pittsburgh has a good shot.
2007-01-05 00:31:44 · answer #4 · answered by Awesome Bill 7 · 2⤊ 0⤋
Well the NHL wants the team to end up in a rich US market killing a shot of it endding up in a Canadian city that would give a damn about the team, so the big question is will Kansas City be able to produce a big TV contract, if yes than the Pens will end up there
2007-01-04 23:48:27 · answer #5 · answered by Jay 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
No I'm a pens fan. But lets not bash KC sports fans. I dont believe the NHL belongs there and the only way it would work is if they realize how great Crosby is and the team wins a cup in the first few years there. But Kc is a dam good baseball market stuck with a horrible team. And kansas city is among the best football city's in the NFL. they dont deserve or really want NHL hockey imo but it's not a bad sports town.
2007-01-04 23:33:23 · answer #6 · answered by The Penguin 3 · 1⤊ 1⤋
I'd like to see Pittsburgh keep its team. It's kind of disheartening to see a city lose it's team.
If Pittsburgh does move, it might not be a terrible idea. I've talked to people from the KC area about this and they said they'd like to see a hockey team in KC.
I don't want the Penguins to move, but if they have to, the new Spring Center in Kansas City is a nice, brand-new facility (once it's completed in October).
2007-01-04 22:37:44 · answer #7 · answered by jesus_mysuperhero 3 · 2⤊ 0⤋
I would rather see them in Canada, Crosby is Canadian, let him play there. But it seems that the NHL wants him in the US so they can win over more fans.
My vote goes for winnipeg too because they had a team taken from them so they should get one back and its canadian and Canada doesn't have very many teams even though about 50% of the players in the league are Canadian.
2007-01-05 02:48:16 · answer #8 · answered by jkliuo90 3 · 2⤊ 0⤋
i would hate to see the penguins leave pittsburgh. If they had to leave i would like them to move to Winnipeg. KC is not NHL ready yet. Plus in 74 they had a team called Kansas City Scouts but moved in 1976 to Denver.
2007-01-04 22:51:34 · answer #9 · answered by Shiloh 5 · 3⤊ 0⤋
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!
By the looks on Lemieux face after his meeting with Gov. Ed Rendell in Pittsburgh, i think they might have something going on and Lemieux did this to get attention and he did and by the smile on his face i think there staying in Pittsburgh which is good. the team has been their for 40 years and they don't deserve to lose their team. BUT! if they do end up moving to KC I will be one pissed of hockey fan cause Gary Bettman scared of Basillie's offer of the table cause Bettman knew Basillie was going to move the team to Canada if Isles Capri didn't go through. Bettman will do everything in his powers to keep the Pens in the U.S and he doesn't care if it's in Pittsburgh or KC as long as the team stays in the U.S.
p.s AND YES WE DO DESERVE ANOTHER TEAM IN CANADA.
US HABS FANS ARE WITH YOU PITTSBURGH, YOU DESERVE THE TEAM TO STAY. LIKE WHAT AbsoluteM... SAID EVERYTHING THAT MARIO LEMIEUX DID FOR THE TEAM WILL BE A WASTE.
GO HABS GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
2007-01-05 02:44:54 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋