If 40-60% of rape accusations are false, why don't feminists support punishment for false rape accusers?

Question

Dr Charles P. McDowell found that 60% of rape allegations were false.
A similar survey by Eugene J Kanin found that 41% of rape allegations are false.

http://christianparty.net/mcdowell.htm

"To my considerable chagrin, we found that at least 60 percent of all the rape allegations were false."
- Dr. Charles P. McDowell, Supervisory Special Agent, U.S. Air Force, Office of Special Investigations

http://christianparty.net/kanin.htm

With the cooperation of the police agency of a small metropolitan community, 45 consecutive, disposed, false rape allegations covering a 9 year period were studied. These false rape allegations constitute 41% the total forcible rape cases (n= 109) reported during this period. These false allegations appear to serve three major functions for the complainants: providing an alibi, seeking revenge, and obtaining sympathy and attention.

Why are feminists instead seeking to toughen rape laws instead of punish false accusers, if they are about equality?

More sources that back up 40 - 60% of rape allegations being false:

http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume6/j6_2_4.htm

http://www.americandaily.com/article/5075

http://www.mens-rights.net/law/accusations.htm

Hint people: Ad Hominem attacks that aren't even true lose you credibility. The sources are:

Dr. Charles P. McDowell, Supervisory Special Agent, U.S. Air Force, Office of Special Investigations

Archives of Sexual Behavior, Vol. 23, No. 1, 1994, pages 81-90

Eugene J. Kanin, Ph.D.

Department of Sociology and Anthropology, Purdue University, 1365 Winthrop E. Stone Hall, West Lafayette, Indiana 47907-1365

The second is a peer reviewed publication.

wendy_g, you've already been caught lying about the wording of VAWA, now isn't making blanket generalisations supposed to be against the tenets of feminism, or are we supposed to ignore this contradiction.

At any rate looks like a green light for you to be lumped in with other feminists such as Valerie Solanas ( Feminist, Founder of the Society for Cutting Up Men, and murderer of Andy Warhol).

By the way Valerie Solanas claimed to be about equality.

Okay I'm really sorry Valerie Solanas is not a murderer, she's an attempted murderer. Obviously you have some sort of personal stake in this so I won't argue.

And geez, lighten up a little wendy_g and jonmcn. You've edited your replies multiple times and they are becoming more and more hysterical. Just because you have no credible data or arguments to refute the claim does not mean you have to get all upset.

Answer 1

I think that the 'party line' response would be that to punish people who make false claims would prohibit legitimate victims from coming forward ... fear that they won't be believed.

Total garbage, of coarse.

Thanks for the posting, and I look forward to laughing while reading the flaming, ignorant responses that you're sure to get.

Wendy:
According to a nine-year study conducted by former Purdue sociologist Eugene J. Kanin, in over 40 percent of the cases reviewed, the complainants eventually admitted that no rape had occurred (Archives of Sexual Behavior, Vol. 23, No. 1, 1994). Kanin also studied rape allegations in two large Midwestern universities and found that 50 percent of the allegations were recanted by the accuser.
Archives of Sexual Behaviour = Peer reviewed journal.

In 1985 the Air Force conducted a study of 556 rape accusations. Over one quarter of the accusers admitted, either just before they took a lie detector test of after they had failed it, that no rape occurred. A further investigation by independent reviewers found that 60 percent of the original rape allegations were false.
The most common reasons the women gave for falsely accusing rape were "spite or revenge," and to compensate for feelings of guilt or shame (Forensic Science Digest, vol. 11. no. 4, December 1985).
Forensic Science Digest = Peer reviewed journal.

The McDowell study is credible too, and can be found at Charles P. McDowell et. al., "False Allegations", in Practical Rape Investigation, Behavioral Science Unit, FBI Academy, Quantico, VA 1985.

Some other sources that you're free to dismiss without reading:

Stephen Buckley, "Unfounded Reports of Rape Confound Area Police Investigators", Washington Post, June 27, 1992, page B-1.

ABC-TV "False Accusations of Child Abuse", 20/20, December 11, 1997.

Answer 2

Something that IS worth considering when considering all this back and forth nonsense is that a hell of a lot of the really twisted, for-real, predatory rapists eliminate the possibility of facing the woman in court by killing her when they are through with her.

What the hell do they have to lose?

A lot of the cases where that isn't the outcome are complicated as all hell. Tragic though it may seem, the window of reasonable doubt makes it very hard for a jury to convict when it comes down to one person's word against another's, with no other corroborating evidence. And that's the case with most rape cases.

But being accused of it, or child molestation, or spousal abuse or any of a lot of other allegations can tear a life to shreds with no basis other than anger expressed with as little as an anonymous phone call. And the people that cause those things without due cause, on the rare occasions where it is provable they did so, should rot in the goddam slammer. And I don't give a damn who it scares out of the courts.

I have to go to court in two weeks to try to get a slimy little scumbag gang-banger a stretch for attempted murder (blew a couple holes in me), and have already gotten death threats from the genetic drift that pass for his friends if he goes down for it. But they were smart enough not to sign their names. Just letters. From "L" or "J' or "K". Not much use in court.

Yeah, well, piss on 'em. The world ain't fair. And if scaring off people that won't put principle before self-protection is a consequence of coming down on people that make false accusations, well that's just tough s*hit, ladies.

Answer 3

I didnt think that many women or people for that matter were making false accusations about rape. thats not good. in a few years no one will believe women are being raped but if you falsely accuse soeone of rape you should the same amount of time as a rapist. because when youre accused of rape, youre not looking so well to alot of individuals, no one gonna cut you no slack, so I know men who are falsely accused are having a bad time

Answer 4

i think of she could would desire to pay back double the quantity that the guy lost, and get a (probably lenient) existence sentence, as 'existence' is precisely what she tried to take from him. he will continually have that putting over his head, whether he's chanced on thoroughly harmless. The punishment for doing that to somebody could be harsh sufficient to confirm that no you could actually on no account make fake accusations.

Answer 5

Your question is a two-parter. so I'll answer both parts:
1. Radical feminists, like most radical wings of groups, are just trying to keep those in their group in their group, so they have to keep heaping on the cognitive dissonance so those on both sides of the issue don't get too complacent. If they actually helped women, the women eventually wouldn't need them anymore.
2. The radical feminists aren't about equality. They are about superiority. They want nothing less than total control. I admit I changed the focus of your question a bit, but that was because regular, middle of the road feminists probably DO support punishment for false rape accusers, because they hurt the cause in general, by making ALL of them look like the harpies that the extremists are.

Answer 6

Your stats are wrong. About 2% of accusations are false -less than the rate of false accusations of robbery (since there is a clear motive with faking a robbery -insurance fraud).
And making a false police report already IS illegal.
http://www.cps.gov.uk/publications/research/perverting_course_of_justice_march_2013.pdf

Answer 7

Wow you really do hate women don't you?

Do you know how many rape crimes never get a conviction? Not because of false alegation, but because in a "his word against hers" scenario it's so hard to prove EITHER way that it gets thrown out of court.

I'm sure those stats are somewhere to be found in your 40 - 60 % figures.

Just because there was no conviction doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I was also raped when I was 16. I never reported it because I was talked out of it by people who knew the justice system in my country (UK) and I would have been ripped apart because I had just split up with my boyfriend and some of his friends claimed I made it up for sympathy???

I fail to see where these figures come from when less than a quarter of sexual assault crimes get a conviction. That's more than 75% of cases UNPROVED due to lack of evidence. If the courts can't even know for sure who was lying (him or her) how the hell can you claim to have these figures as ACCURATE?

Not only that but more than 50% of rapes go unreported anyway, which logically means these are all REAL rapes, so if you add in these figures to "your" 40% of REPORTED rapes are false this will reduce that figure DRAMATICALLY in the "real" rape figures. And that just because a case is classed as a "false allegation" doesn't mean that the woman PURPOSELY accused for malicious reasons. She may honestly have felt she was being raped but just didn't clearly SAY the word NO, even though her body language may have done so. YOUR figures will also include these scenarios so basically they are so skewed they are not worth the paper they are written on.


Do you not think rape is a serious crime that needs severe punishment?

Answer 8

Ya they should get the same amount of prison time as the rapist would have, if it was a false statement. I mean some woman are willing to put a man away for 10 to 40 years just for money, attention, or hatred towards men, thats like murder in my eyes. They should get a max of 10 if they do this.

Answer 9

The same reason the NAACP won't call for all black-owned businesses to have the proper number of non-minority workers (60% white or more) as would be logical, since affirmitive action is one of their big button issues.

-because feminist groups exist to serve women, and to heck with everyone else.

Answer 10

Feminists have no real interest in helping men although they claim to want equality across the board. I personally believe that a strong feminist is a woman who is angry about her lot in life; she'd rather be a man but would never say so. Their is an underlying hatred towards men, so their legal and cultural efforts are skewed to the point of perpetuating a false agenda. Woman are beautiful and sometimes intelligent creatures but many of the wrongs by men have created monsters of some. Why are the physical test standards lowered for women if they are applying for the same job(fire dept. for one)? Zero interest in fairness!