Can those who think feminism is about equality answer these questions?

Question

#1 Why do feminists give women the choice between abortion, adoption, dropping an unwanted baby off at a hospital, raising the child with a father, or raising the child without a father, but the only choice they give men is to agree?

#2 Why do feminists pretend that men are the ones that abuse children when it is a well-known fact that women abuse children more than men?

#3 Why do feminists say single mothers have it so bad, when women initiate about eighty percent of divorces and routinely commit perjury to win custody?

#4 Why did feminists create a Violence Against Women Act but nothing for men when women cause domestic violence just as often as men, if not more?

#5 Why are feminists pushing for laws that prevent new laws from being passed that protect men from women, such as with domestic violence against men, false allegations by women, or paternity fraud?

#6 Why has feminism nagged until women’s health gets 65% of the funding when men die about seven years younger than women?

Seems to me that people who think feminism is all fluffy bunnies and flower petals are completely uneducated on the issues. Maybe you should do some research before blithely accepting what ideological movements tell you:

"it is a well-known fact that women abuse children more than men"

62.8% of child abusers are women.

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/pubs/ncands97/s7.htm

"women initiate about eighty percent of divorces"

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/mvsr/supp/mv39_12s2.pdf

The National Center for Health Statistics reports that from 1975 to 1988, in families with children present, wives file for divorce in approximately 2/3 of the cases each year.

[ Cites source: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/mvsr/supp/mv39_12s2.pdf ]

"Women cause domestic violence just as often as men, if not more"

Not one source hey? Here's 196:

http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

Answer 1

some good points. But I hate statistics.

Can prove any damn thing you want with them.

I KNOW that when a family breaks up, and there are kids involved, the man is SCREWED. And there ain't enough goddess blessings on this stinking planet to make me believe otherwise.

My gut feeling is you've been bitten, too, and you like to piss people off, and what better place than this, where a few bored, crampy man-haters mix their drivel with the majority of women that seem to be pretty much all right?

What's the point?

There ain't one. Not to me typing this or you (whoever the hell you are) reading it.

One thing I can say for sure is you don't need counseling. If there's anything I hate more than dog s*hit on my shoes it's that bunch of alleged-science-for-profit fruitcakes, and your being denied your god-given right to go off the rails completely and maybe, just maybe, accomplish something positive.

Answer 2

'You truly need to deal with the resentments that you have towards females. This forum is not here for you to work through your own personal issues against women. I strongly suggest that you contact a counsellor as I sense that you desperately are crying out for help. Goddess bless.'

So, being a supporter of the men's movement means that you are a misogynist who desperately needs counseling?

By that logic, it could be said that all feminists are misandrists who desperately need counseling.

Answer 3

I'll answer a few:

#1 Women should be given a choice between whether they want an abortion or not because they're the ones carrying the babies, if they guy wanted to carry the baby, the women didn't, and it was possible, then the guy would have more of a say. And women aren't always the one choosing whether or not to raise the child with or without a father since immature fathers tend to bail out. If people are in a real relationship the man would have a say, but if their not, the man probably won't be the one taking care of the child anyway.

#2 I've never heard feminists say this myself, so I really can't answer this question.

#3 Because single mothers do. It doesn't matter who initiates the divorces. If they're taking care of a child on their own, how couldn't it be difficult to support that child and yourself. Very few, if any, single parents have an easy time. That has nothing to do with divorce or gaining custody. So your claim and argument don't match. Many single mothers weren't ever married.

#4 why don't men create their own Violence Against Men Act? Don't depend on the women to take care of that for you. If you want it, go get it. And About your guess on that domestic abuse thing, I want proof.

I won't bother with the rest of this. I mean come on, there are reasons to nag on feminists, but at least come up with real reasons. Geez why do people thing that single mothers have it so tough? how come a woman can choose to have an abortion and men can't choose for women to have abortions? And then the statistics...from what source?

Answer 4

ABUSED?! with the aid of fact of loss of cuddling? this is so stupid. Does she think of possibly physique warmth could have something to do with it? Fatigue, possibly? As for the open relationship element, i will understand feeling badly approximately that, yet possibly this is something you could set up with the "lover" so as that it does not happen?

Answer 5

I coundn't agree more. There is definitely a war on against the American male, especially the American white male. Too many of us are rolling over and taking it so as to get laid.....or something, I don't know.

Answer 6

You truly need to deal with the resentments that you have towards females. This forum is not here for you to work through your own personal issues against women. I strongly suggest that you contact a counsellor as I sense that you desperately are crying out for help. Goddess bless.

Answer 7

those are great points. I especially agree with #1. its only fair if the baby is both of theirs. Though i must say I would not agree with a man wanting her to have an abortion... but thats because i'm pro-life.

Answer 8

#1 It is the woman who has to carry the baby for 9 months and then go through child birth, Most women I know have HAD to make that choice for themselves because their partners / fathers of the children didn't want to know. Please don't tell me that if roles were reversed that men wouldn't have that final say? I'm sure if you fell pregnant accidently and had to make that decision to either abort, adopt and keep that YOU wouldn't say "It's MY body, MY life that will change drastically as a result. You can stick around/support if you want but it's ultimately MY decision" I can really see you having to put your body through all that because your partner says so only to risk having to do it all alone anyway. Unfortunately I see it everyday the other way around.

#2 No "pretending" anything. It's probably about equal, but men tend to be the more "violent" abusers whereas women tend to make up more "neglect" cases. (not saying one is worse than another, just stating facts).

#3 Those things are not even related. Being a single parent IS hard, I was one for 2 years, but I still maintained a job (for those who still think single mothers only ever claim state benefit). And I was the one who ended my relationship with my childs father. Does that mean I can't complain? Sorry, but I'd rather have it hard bringing up my child alone than be STUCK in a relationship that was doing NO-ONE any good. Doesn't take away the fact that being a single mother is HARD. As for commiting purjury, doesn't that work both ways? Yes, some women do, although I dispute your "routinely" quote, but equally men lie about their wives and get false character witnesses to gain custody too. Some even falsly acuse thir partners of commiting purjury.

Do you think all woman are liers and all men are saints or something???

#4 Violence against women IS a fact. Violence against men IS a fact. But as a woman and understanding the issues women have and how men use their strength and social superiority over women I will obviously fight for WOMEN'S causes. But because I fight for womens causes does that mean I am not sympathetic towards MEN's issues? No of course not, but I cannot fight for them per se as I do not fully understand all the issues surrounding violence towards men. Surely it would make sense for this to be taken up more enthusiastically by men? No? or are you just spewing your vitriol against women and are totally unsypathetic towards these abused woman?

I would and do fully support campaigns and organisations fighting against violence towards men.

I just find it strange that you choose to use this serious issue against women.

#5 Sorry if any womens organisation is seriously campaigning against this then they are NOT acting in the best interst of ANYONE. Either these are false claims or have been highly misinterpreted and manipulated for propaganda against feminism and womens fight for equality.

#6 So, we nagged, why don't you do the same?

If you have two departments in a company that are suposedly equal in status, yet one gets a bigger budget than another. Do you start hate campaings against that department? or do you say, "look what thay got by "nagging", I wonder if we can do the same?"

By choosing the former I would suggest a huge element of bitterness and large dose of "poor me" syndrome.

It does seem that all you have posted is a series of anti feminist garbage where you plainly have manipulated facts and used propaganda for your own twisted agenda.

You see, feminists are figting for equality, but obviously most of us are woman and so are slightly biased. Doesn't mean we oppose men's issues, in fact we suport many of them. None of us "hate" men, we hate some of the rubbish used against us, but what you have posted and many others with the same agenda as yours is pure hate and misunderstanding of what feminism is all about. Why hate the progress that woman have made? Why not take a leaf out of the succesful book that feminists have written and use it for the advancement of men's issues. No feminist is blind to the fact that men have their own issues too. But to use our success against us is dispicable and just shows what a long way women have to go in order to ever acheive "equality"

Answer 9

First of all, before ranting on ... without having facts, is just plain ignorance. If you want to state your opinion, one should at least KNOW what they are talking about, and have FACTS to back up their statement/s. None of which you have done.

1. The day *you* give birth, will be the day *you* can make the choice of whether or not you want to abort, keep, "drop off", raise or otherwise ... the fetus/baby. More often than not, the women is left to make this choice ON HER OWN, while the male runs w/his tail between his legs. Despite all the "leaps and bounds" you claim feminists have made; birth control is still primarily the women's responsibility. When men are willing to step up to the plate .... and take EQUAL responsibility before and after conception takes place ... you will have equal say, in what happens in regards to accidental pregnancy. Until then, it is the woman's choice ... like it or not.

2. Women abuse children more than men? Where did you get that fact from?!! Here are some FACTS for you:

There is some evidence that children living with both biological parents are more likely to be physically abused by their fathers than their mothers. For instance, Creighton and Noyes (1989) found that when the child was living with both birth parents, mothers were implicated in 36% of cases and fathers in 61%.

Some research suggests that men living with children are most likely to perpetrate severe physical abuse, especially abuse that results in a child's death (Straus et al., 1980 cited by Englander, 2003; Ewing, 1997).

A review of North American sexual abuse prevalence studies suggested that sexual abuse is committed primarily by males (90 per cent of cases) (Finkelhor, 1994).

Approximately 5 per cent of female victims and 20 per cent of male’s victims experience sexual abuse perpetrated by a female. It has also been highlighted that often women who do sexually abuse children do so at the instigation or encouragement of male abusers (Adams-Tucker 1982, as cited by Wurtele & Miller-Perrin, 1993; Faller, 1987).

3. Women do initiate two-thirds of all divorce. Do you know WHY this is? It's because women now have a choice of whether or not they want to stay in a loveless, abusive marriage. Husbands are more likely than wives ... to have problems with drinking, drug abuse, and infidelity... this is FACT. If you would like the link to this fact, I will be more than happy to provide you with it.

4. Oh, come on now ... women cause more domestic violence, than men do? Then could you please explain this stat to me? ...

Of the approximately 1,830 murders committed against intimate partners, 3 out of 4 of the victims were women.

This statement you made is pure BS ... and you know it.

5. Yes. Women everywhere are picketing in front of courthouses world-wide ... for the mere sake of preventing men from protecting themselves, from women. Good lord ... what an ignorant statement. *shakes head*

7. This one is pretty easy to figure out ... well, for MOST anyway. Like the posts before mine, the women have explained to you WHY this is so.

In the future, I think you should do your homework ... before coming in Y! Q&A and spewing your ignorance.

Answer 10

#1. Feminists often are pro-choice, believing the only person suitable to make a decision that turns the womans life upside down is the woman, since she has to live with the consequences. As for the tired misogynistic rant about it not being fair to men, no .. it isn't fair. It can't be equel, since equel burden isn't shared in the creation of the child. The womans body is put at risk and at constant use for 9 months, her health compromised. When the physical burden is 50/50, then so shall the equality between sexes for choice. In the meantime, men have another out. They can sign over parental rights and walk away.

#2. Where is it a well known fact? Please, show me a reliable, valid source that says women abuse children more than men? However, I won't say men are the majority here either. I think there is more than enough evidence to show that it's fairly balanced out. Many women abuse their children, many men abuse their children.

#3. So you'd prefer a woman to stay in a unstable or painful relationship, just to avoid the status of a single mother? And again .. show a source if you want to claim that 80 per cent of women initiate divorces. I would agree it's more than 50 per cent, and that would be simply because womens standards for what is and isn't acceptable in a marriage have risen. Unlike 50 years ago, women don't stay in relationships where they feel abused, neglected or unloved. They now have the option to leave. None of this has any bearing on the fact that it IS a hard life for single parents .. mothers and fathers alike.

#4. Now you're just full of it. I won't even bother asking for a source, because there isn't one. Yes, there are cases of domestic violence where men are the victims. They are nowhere NEAR the numbers for domestic violence AGAINST women. Up until a few decades ago, it was perfectly acceptable and even LEGAL to beat your wife, providing you didn't leave marks on her face. I can dig up this law for you if you'd like. Because of the social acceptance of violence against women, it was almost common place. It's harder to remove that core from what men thought was acceptable.

Not touching the rest, it makes little sense. You asked for women to come in that believe in equality, then asked a bunch of questions that are pointedly towards women you feel are looking for superiority. Make up your mind. This entire post is a misogynistic rant from someone who hasn't managed to drop the club and crawl out of the cave, realizing women are not his inferiors.