How do police know who to arrest in a domestic dispute involving lesbians?

Question

Seeing as domestic violence between lesbians is vastly more common than domestic violence between heterosexual couples and seeing as (according to feminists) domestic violence is either:

1) 99% committed by men, so basically the police should arrest the man.

or:

2) Self defence by the woman and in any case the violence occured in a context of invisible "patriarchal oppression" so she was defending herself even if she, unprovoked fired a handgun at his groin and so the man should be arrested as he must have somehow started it.

How do the police know who to arrest if both parties are women?

Oh, BTW both no. 1 and no. 2 are proven false:

No.1 by: 196 scholarly investigations: 153 empirical studies and 43 reviews and/or analyses, which demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners.

http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

And no. 2 by dozens of academic studies, eg:

http://www.ncfmla.org/dv_data.html

But hey, doesn't stop police from accepting radical feminists as experts on domestic violence, so the question stands.

Diedre I can't help but notice you've decided that close to 200 academic studies producing the same statistics are false.

We only need to look to the amount of violence by women on men in television commercials to see how blindly accepted it is.

Or rather.. they "must" be false because you "know" that they are. Let's face it most feminists can't accept the truth even when it is plain as day infront of their noses. Reassessing the fantasy world they have dreamed up where all their inadequacies have been explained away by their eternal victimhood would be too difficult.

And these people are influencing public policy.

jonmcn:

A good reason for my "ideological ax" would *be* the fact that studies such as these show that women are just as violent as men, yet men are far more represented in prison statistics for domestic violence.

As for your murder rate claim, I suggest you look at this consequence of blaming men for domestic violence:

http://www.angryharry.com/esonlywomenare...

The rate of women murdering their husbands dropped since men started being blamed because they have easy legal recourse, men do not, so the murder rate remained the same. Frankly those murders put blood on the hands of the feminists involved in the DV movement.

jonmcn: The arrest rates are obviously tainted if the reasons for arrests are based on information that is false. Geezus. Think about it. That's what I don't like.

Brute reality:

Here, v.i.d.e.o. e.v.i.d.e.n.c.e.:

http://www.antimisandry.com/vbdr/bullbusters/

Also look at:

http://www.mediaradar.org/

wendy_g, wording is gender neutral hey?

Guess what? Original research:

Just skimming the act at the Thomas website I can come up with:

SEC. 206. DOMESTIC VIOLENCE PREVENTION, EDUCATION, AND AWARENESS.

(1) Nearly one-third of American women report being physically or sexually abused by a husband or boyfriend at some point in their lives.

SEC. 702. FINDINGS.

Congress finds the following:

(1) Violence against women has been reported to be the leading cause of physical injury to women. Such violence has a devastating impact on women's physical and emotional health, financial security, and ability to maintain their jobs, and thus impacts interstate commerce.

"HER"? "WOMEN"?

`SEC. 41305. ENGAGING MEN AND YOUTH IN PREVENTING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, DATING VIOLENCE, SEXUAL ASSAULT, AND STALKING...
by helping them to develop mutually respectful, nonviolent relationships.

"MEN"?

Caught you lying.

The only one of those sites that says where the stats came from is the last one, and they came from arrest statistics again. Already explained as tainted.

I'm counting three sites there Judas Goat. I have four. One is a bibliography with 196 references. Come up with more than 196 and we'll talk.

Feminists have hijacked the issue, so of course there will be conflicting data from tainted sources all over the place... LOL.

Answer 1

It seems that, according to feminists, the cops should arrest the fathers of both the lesbians...after all, they're the ones responsible for raising the women to be that way, right? Heaven forbid we should start holding people accountable for their own actions instead of trying to pin it all in some superfluous way on the nearest man available.

Answer 2

"Those murders put blood on the hands of feminists?"!!! What?!?! Men murder their spouses because of feminists now? Ever heard of "blaming the victim?" But no, that doesn't apply because women REALLY ARE responsible for their own murders, right? And I guess with THAT logic, women are responsible for their own rape, too, maybe they weren't dressed "demurely" enough? Serves 'em right. And why do women murder men? I suppose it's also because of......(wait for it) feminists, huh? THAT'S convenient. And "legal recourse" (for what?) prevents murder? Blaming the victim again? But it doesn't matter, because THAT is entirely conjecture, I could just as easily say that the rate of fatal intimate violence (it's 5% for men, 30% for women, BTW) is down for men because there are more women's shelters that allow women to get out of abusive situations. Either way, conjecture. And you will never "prove" anything with those biased and statistically irresponsible "sources." But mostly it's your astounding ability to twist reality to suit your own perverse vision of the world that will do you in.
And domestic violence laws (yes, even those supported by feminists) are gender neutral. Have you ever read any of the actual laws? I have, and NOWHERE does it specify that "men should be arrested." Again, the wording of the law is gender neutral, and most laws instruct law enforcement to determine the "primary aggressor," i.e. the FIRST to initiate aggression, the implication being, according to the letter of the law, that this can be a male or a female. These laws protect MEN AND WOMEN, and if more men are arrested, then you draw your own conclusions. But the law itself does not contribute to "perfunctory arrest" of the man, despite what your "sources" may say to the contrary. Do a little "original" research for once, instead of blithely accepting whatever these websites, with their own agendas, push.

EDIT--"Caught me lying"?! LOL, sorry to disappoint you..but no. I think you are quoting the description of the law, not the law itself. Here's a real excerpt:
Title 1:
1) DOMESTIC VIOLENCE--The term"domestic violence" includes acts or threats of violence, not including acts of self-defense, committed by a current or former spouse of the victim, by a person with whom the victim shares a child in common..etc, etc.
2) Sexual Assault--The term "sexual assault" means any conduct proscribed by chapter 109 of title 18....whether or not the conduct occurs in the...jurisdiction of the United States or in a Federal prison and includes both assaults committed by offenders who are strangers to the victim...etc, etc.
3) STALKING--...Engaging in a course of conduct directed at a specific person that would cause a reasonable person to fear death or bodily injury to himself or herself...(see www.now.org and click on "Text of Bill" Title 1).
I don't think I need to go on...it's clear that the wording is gender neutral, and so, protects ANYONE who is a victim of DV. This Bill gets "written into" local laws, and the wording of these laws must remain neutral, as well.

Answer 3

Both in my opinion even if its a heterosexual relationship and if they got kids send them to a neighbors, or relatives for the night. They don't need to see that ****. I'm not sure about all your info. but personally I know a friend who is male that got arrested after his girlfriend attacked him. He was bleeding w/ a broken nose she showed no blood but had a mark on her wrist from him physically restraining her. When the police came they got their stories the cop asked him if he touched her, he said yes only after she broke his nose, cop put him in cuffs and said I'm sorry but I have to arrest you. She was advised to go home. That is not my defintion of equal rights, but what do I know I am only a man. Again my story is only one occurence I'm not saying its like that across the nation but I was completely shocked to see my friend arrested after such aggression was physically taken out on him.

Answer 4

generally the one who is injured, crying, actually called the police, or is demonstraiting the behavior of a victim isn't the one they will arrest.

in these cases sometimes the attacker confesses, by means of 'I did, but...' and tries to justify his/her actions.

I'm not sure that violence between female/female couples happens more than man/female couples. I know that until recently female on male, female on female, and male on male domestic violence hasn't been reported and/or handled by law enforcement

Answer 5

Gay bars end up losing their liquor licenses more often then not, due to drunken brawls between lesbians. Things can get down right dangerous, which causes many of those bars to end being forced to move out of the area. (too many 911 calls from neighbors)

Answer 6

Basically, they get both sides of the story. Whoever started it or made the first move is the guilty party. They will seperate the women, find out what happened and get as many witnesses to the altercation as possible. It's basically an educated guess. Just like MD's do.

Answer 7

Where is this ideological ax you are grinding coming from? I have been to those sites before and was not impressed then. Men murder all persons at a rate that is ten to twenty times the rate of women. The domestic assaults data follows suit. Why are our prisons filled with all these horrible women you are talking about? Why is the prison population 97% men? I think we know why. Your studies are all ideologically driven BS!!

PS You may be able to bluff Deirdre, as she is some kind of social science type, but you can not bluff me! Your " studies " are refuted by the stark reality. I saw on that site, that for every 100 females killed by an intimate, there were 75 males killed. No one has yet explained this glaring discrepancy between what your studies saw and the brute reality of the death of spouses data. No one has explained the large differentiation in male /female arrests for such violence. Your web site has that cheep look of ultimately phony!

PSS The arrest rates tainted!! Look at the brute reality of the BODIES!! Stop sending me to those cheap looking sites that support your position, when the brute numbers make them look foolish. Any one who has had basic statistics is not impressed with your statistical maunuvering, so give it a rest and come back down to reality. None of us like the radical feminist position, but to ignore men's evolved history and physiology is to be delusional. Perhaps police do have biasis now days towards men who merely protect themselves against female violence, but the violence generated by an average female, not in possesion of a weapon, falls so short of male violence that there is no comparison. Go, or be in our prisions and you will know why the wide varience in human violence between the sexes.

PSSS Radar, indeed! That is not evidence, that is anecdote. Now I know why you bring this nonsense to the social science section. I did not see one onehundreth of the damage a man would have done in those situations. It is obvious you have never been in the presence of real violence. The first scene, of the women beating the child was not even drawing blood. The second scene was ludicris and still the damage was minamal, except to the chumps ego! You, and all your buddies can " thumbs down " my answer till hell freezes over. Still your nonsense will be just that; pure, overstated hyperbole!!

LAST WORD: Looks like judas hero took all the wind right out of your ideological sails. This is why we scientist only trust data that comes from peer reviewed sources. Some times the truth is independent of dichotomy. People like you always argue from belief; never evidence. Stay in the social science section. Unless you have the "balls " to bring this nonsense to the science section?

Answer 8

Lesbian domestic violence should be handled the exact same way that straight domestic violence is handled. NO ONE GETS ARRESTED!!! Don't believe me? Do the research. Men are not arrested the majority of the time regardless of what kind of violence they have caused. So, the same should hold true for lesbians. BTW, I find it hard to believe that DV among lesbians is "vastly more common than domestic violence between hetersexual couples"

Answer 9

In answer to the opening question.It would be the attacker.Doesn't matter that there two women it's the act that counts.

Answer 10

So I suppose these guys are full of crap?

http://www.aidv-usa.com/Statistics.htm

85-95% of all domestic violence victims are female.

Over 500,00 women are stalked by an intimate partner each year.

5.3 million women are abused each year.

1,232 women are killed each year by an intimate partner.

Domestic violence is the leading cause of injury to women.

Women are more likely to be attacked by someone they know rather than by a stranger.

These guys too, then: http://www.ncadv.org/resources/Statistics_170.html

And of course, these guys: http://www.actabuse.com/dvstats_2.html#2

The victim in domestic violence is female in 85% of all cases reported. She is white in 64% of domestic violence cases.

Based on domestic crime data kept by 17 states, experts estimate that 1.37 million domestic violence offenses were reported to the police in 1991, women were the victims in an estimated 83% of the cases

The rate of violent crimes against women committed by relatives was 3.1 per 1,000. The rate for men was .9 per 1,000.

I could go on and on with sites like this. So, whose information is correct? I dunno; if you really wanna know, try telling me why sooo many more sites have contrary evidence to what you are espousing?

Answer 11

I guess you missed the episode of Cops where they did arrest a lesbian for domestic abuse which was on last year.