The Chicken and the Egg: the answer is obvious!?

Question

I don't know why so many people can't answer this question!!! It's just bloody obvious!
It's the egg. Here's my idea:
1. You have a form of bird that has the genes of the Chicken's predecessors, but it's not quite chicken yet.
2. Over time as this breed of bird reproduces, it's genetic code changes, gradually coming close to that of a modern day chicken.
3. Eventually we have a bird that genetically can be described as being 99.999999999999% chicken.
4. The bird lays an egg, and out pops a bird that can now be scientifically described as a chicken.

Any arguments?

It's the egg, dammit! Why am I being so personal on this stupid question? Lol

Well if you're Christian, of course this is an easy question to answer.

Answer 1

lol! and you expect people to answer all that to the question chicken or egg?
actually i have my own idea and its CHICKEN!
no one ever said adam and eve were children when god made them! so God didnt make an egg first he made a chicken!
(if you're religious then this answer is logical)
If not then... whatever :)
Good luck

Answer 2

I have the feeling that very few people actually understood what the asker is saying. He is trying to argue from a biological and taxonomical standpoint.

Well done! Indeed it is so. For with each sucessive generation, there will be mutations in the offsprings, thereby creating different possible evolutionary paths, according to Darwin. The egg must necessarily come first. Where did it come from? From its parent, who is not a chicken (something close, but not a chicken for taxonomical reasons). So it is truly the first chicken.

However, even from this purely taxonomical perspective, there may be counter-arguments. Firstly, classification of creatures is not an exact science. Sometimes classifications by social units (whether the creature interacts with others in the wild as a species) is used, othertimes the strict meiosis (whether they can reproduce if the have sex) concept is used.

I would propose that you not think about this matter too much. Those with their opinions already made up in this matter (as well as most matters actually) are fairly immune to this kind of logic... Or logic of any kind. But good deduction, I take it that you have had some formal biology lessons?

Answer 3

You say "1. You have a form of bird that has the genes of the Chicken's predecessors, but it's not quite chicken yet."

So where did your ancestor bird come from? An egg right? So who laid that egg?

Okay, for your sake we'll change the classic term "chicken" to "the chicken ancestor bird".

So, what came first?... the chicken ancestor bird, or the egg?

Answer 4

What about the Close enough for Government Work maxim?

You're description is what got Pluto demoted and most scientists say that concept sounded like it was written by accountants or lawyers instead of scientists.

Do if some future "body" is found outside of Pluto and it's a silly millimeter to short it's not a planet either.

A guess if we apply that universally, Dwarfs and Midgets don't qualify as people. They are peopletons.

But your point is well taken and we can get back to the most rudimentary, the virus, bacterium or amoeba. Boy, don't that resemble an "egg."

A bunch of porteins with a nuget center than contains all the nuts and cherries.

Answer 5

If the egg WERE first, it would still need the chicken to incubate it.

This seems very conclusive. But the question is specifically about chickens; if it were, for instance, about crocodiles, whose eggs are incubated in the ground, needing no mother or father croc to sit on the eggs for them to hatch,we are back to square one.

Personally, I can see no beginning in the chain. The past is beginingless; on this or other planets,or galaxies or universes, Life has always been. How can there be a beginning to anything in a beginingless past?

Answer 6

Well, your analysis is correct. However, you are taking the word "chicken" too literally. This is a philosophical question, and really refers to any bird. As a matter of fact, eggs were around long before birds even existed, so it's not even birds that are at question. The philosophical question still exists.

Answer 7

birds have scales as snakes do ,
but snakes and lizards are cold blooded
chickens are warm blooded
now what is an egg laying mammal

experiments over 50 years ago managed to mutate scales into feathers and visa versa using skin grafts and certain chemical substances ,but you still have the cold blood ,getting the limb bud mutation ,unless a lisard was involved ,limb grafting experiments again found one or two chemicals were involved

its still a lot of mutation steps ,eggs came first [obviouslt ] but what egg ,mound nesting birds use simular mounds to crocs ,
new zealand has[had no mamals or carnivors evolved ,birds /snakes and lizards ,but where the warmblooded limbed ancestor ,
thus we get to the cause of the mutations and the diverging evolutional roots ,boy this is fun ,but i gave up wanting to know when i realised the barberism involved with the stuff i was forced to read ,skin grafts ,chemicals aborted eggs suffering
now im with the creation side[as a concious objection to what they /some will do to know].

Answer 8

If the EGG u said come from a BIRD gene group...then there was a bird first then they lay eggs right :p

so if it's not a chicken first... it's eggs... but which one comes first
egg first or bird first?

hahah this is endless

Answer 9

The egg came first.

Once upon a time there was this dinosaur... who was a naughty little dinosaur that did nasty things with another breed of dinosaur. This dinosaur subsequently laid an egg (we all know that dinosaur eggs cannot be disputed).

The resulting creature from this mix of dinosaurs is our commonly known chicken, therefore logically the egg came first!

Answer 10

I do believe that you will have to re-read your bible. For God stated in the bible very clearly that all creatures of his creations were created in their adult forms first. So yes the Chicken was created first then came the egg. The only thing that God with out reproductive organs were his Angels. For they were created to live forever so why did they need to reproduce themselves. So how were the offspring of the angels created. all you have to do is a little research and you you find out how that was done..........