If Intelligent design is the answer, then who created the creator?

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Evolution is based not on 'chance' as it is misquoted by creationists but by small changes over a long period of time (more than 6000 years). The dolphin found off Japan with four fins that are believed to be remnants of legs is another piece in the evolutionary jigsaw and backs the fossil evidence.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,227572,00.html
These small changes over millions of years are in terms of probability possible, making the evolution theory the only theory that works and fits the answers to all our questions. This is not what we know, this is what we put forward as the best probability. The God theory on the other hand is lacking in that there is no evidence and the probability of there being a personal God is so low as to be non existant, especially as the probability of a complex creator will require a more complex creator to create him. Comments without references to that book, this is a question of probability.

"So where does the new genetic information come from? Big problem."
On the contrary it is you who do not appear to understand evolution - not many creationists do. Not a problem, and not one Dawkins could not answer either! Ever heard of mutations? An evolutionist can account for minor mutations over a long period resulting in an eventual complex structure. (The person who used an eye as an example can find this applies well here). A creationist argues it 'just happened', that is an eye was created because another even more complex entity made it. We won't even go into why eyes are not perfect and numerous types - why create different types, unless each evolved separately of course!) In terms of probability evolution wins hands down as it at least possible whereas religious complex entities have no explanation for their creator and has never been seen to have occurred. Fossil and ongoing evolution in living organisms however does indicate that evolution does and is occurring.

Answer 1

Evolution is an observation. Transitional fossils have been found for over 125 years (see the London Archaeopteryx for an early transtional fossil). Speciation, the change from one species to another, is observed in the fossil record and in modern times.

Belief in gods is a religious belief, not science.
People can believe in whatever gods they chose, but that does not make it science. That should be simple enough for anyone to understand. Don't confuse science and religion.

Answer 2

I'm afraid you do not understand evolution very well. The hypothesis of evolution is based on natural selection working on genetic mutations (chance). Trouble (for you) is that all observed mutations are information neutral or result in a loss of information. So where does the new genetic information come from? Big problem. Even Dawkins has no answer for that.
If you study the probability properly you will discover that the chance of evolution is nil - Fred Hoyle realised this so he invented panspermia - dna driftee to earth from outer space. Try reading Lee Spetner's 'Not by chance' for a rigourous treatment of the probability.

As for the original question:
A number of sceptics ask this question. But God by definition is the uncreated creator of the universe, so the question ‘Who created God?’ is illogical, just like ‘To whom is the bachelor married?’

So a more sophisticated questioner might ask: ‘If the universe needs a cause, then why doesn’t God need a cause? And if God doesn’t need a cause, why should the universe need a cause?’ In reply, Christians should use the following reasoning:

Everything which has a beginning has a cause.
The universe has a beginning.
Therefore the universe has a cause..

http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/1851

Answer 3

i replaced into actual observing a very cool particular on the universe on nationwide Geographic channel. They were speaking about quite some massive bang and introduction theories. One concept that's transforming into extra customary in accordance to data is that area replaced into extremely small in some unspecified time sooner or later (really the dimensions of an atom). chemical substances and atoms then kept increasing turning out to be an explosion that created the universe. depending on the wise layout concept, a chance say that the countless sequence of creators are those primordial atoms that led to the large bang that made the universe develop. See, faith and technological knowledge can co-exist see you later as you've an open options. The humorous element is, that a Catholic Priest replaced into the single which got here up with that concept interior the 1930's or 40's. the idea is basically now gaining floor in accordance to observational data.

Answer 4

Intelligent Design isn't the answer.

In a manner of speaking, I believe in ID. Not like the IDiots do, but in the sense that God intelligently designed the laws of physics and nature so that we would evolve, exactly when we did, how we did, and exactly as He planned.

To believe that God had to constantly roll up his sleeves and fine tune things at various times over the last 5 billion years or so insinuates a God that is not omniscient.

I have a problem with that.

I am a christian and an evolutionist. I believe in the bible, but I am not one of those who reads everything in it literally. Doing so requires more side-stepping of logic, ad hoc hypothesis projection, and outright denial than I am capable of.

The bible's answer to this question is that God always was, and always will be. Thus, God has no creator.

To those who would say that all things must have a beginning, including God, I would say that it is folly to expect metaphysical beings to follow physical rules, assuming that metaphysical beings do indeed exist.

I believe they do. Others refuse to believe it. It isn't something I or anybody can prove. I simply choose to have faith in it.

That is my biggest problem with IDiots. They are trying to pass ID off as a legitimate science, and people who should know better are trying to fool the people who don't into thinking that there is a big controversy about the science of ID. The only controversy is in the courts and in the minds of those who don't understand the scientific method well enough to see through the smoke. There is no controversy whatsoever within the scientific community. The unanimous consensus is that ID is not science.

As a christian AND one who believes in evolution, their twisting of science, character assasination, and overal "Flat Earth Attitude" are things to be ashamed of.

Answer 5

Allow me to run a little off-topic, please. A guy at work was trying to get us on-board with his faith, Jehovahs' Witnesses. They take the view that the Earth is about 5,000 years old, and that we were created. I fired back with 'what about the appendix?', the vestigial ex-organ we carry in the gut, fromt he days when it was much larger and helped us digest a much more green-leaf diet. If they were on-line, we would be able to graze grass, but they arent theya have shrivelled, but not gone yet. I aslo asked him about the slow deposition of sedimentary rock, and yet the incredibly deep tracts such as the Grand Canyon. Those rocks were laid down over a VERY long period, and the water is long-gone. Then, how about the colouration of local people? Pale white Scandinavians, Black africans and Australian Aboriginies. These people have - ADAPTED - to their environment. Evolution? Yup!
I still have a God. Mine is in charge of running the Cosmos, responsible for the physical laws therein. I must say, I wouldn't know what he looked like, and probably couldn't understand him if He appeared to me.

Answer 6

First of all, there are many scientists that believe that even in 4.5 billion years Earth has been around, there wouldn't be enough time to create life as we see it today by natural selection alone. Secondly, there are studies that show "evolution" take a specific course, not just "chance" which indicates help from a higher power.

And lastly, using this as evidence that the "probability" of there being a God gets reduced "so low as to be non existant, especially as the probability of a complex creator will require a more complex creator to create him" is a flawed argument. Either there is a God or there is not. Even if you think that there is a 99.9% chance that God exists then you might as well say that you DON'T believe in God. If you truely believe in God then there is no doubt.

Answer 7

Most believers (those with some sense in their skulls) will say that God was always there, no one created the creator - he simply exists, beyond time. As fantastic as that may be, it still poses a question as to if the one beyond time created everything, why is everything finite? Why wasn't anything, not one thing, created that is as immortal as the Creator? It makes Man even less significant as the Evolution theory does - which collapses the whole Creationism claim (everything was created for mankind).

Answer 8

Check out Robert Winstons research into the probability of God.
Documentary was recentley telivised in the U.K. It covers everything from the big bang to modern day, creationist, atheist an beliver with some interesting findings.
And yes all mammals including Whales an Dolphins have the reminents of hip bones from which legs once grew.

Answer 9

If you only study about Eye, how it is formed, you will forget about idea of all by chance. Definitely there is a creator of all creatures.
No one except almighty Allah is creator but just producers only.
Creation is just meant for almighty Allah only.
Actually we always not differentiate in creation and production.
Creation of this whole universe and all within it was done by almighty Allah on first six days of its beginning ( it is mentioned in Holy Quran and Holy Bible, both). After that all is the process of production of all what was created, one by one, with the passage of time. That is the Islamic evolution theory, it is not evolution of creation but of production only.

The ultimate Creator is the Ultimate Reality, almighty Allah. None of our five senses are able to perceive reality. Even we are unable to understand our own original self, (it is a created reality).
We can only understand reality by different mediums, signs and symbols that translate reality to us. as reality is the language of our soul. Our body can only feel its presence but can not fully perceive it.
The start and end is meant for only created elements not for the who is not got created by any one. He is self sustained and self sufficient, endless and start less, The unique almighty Allah.

Answer 10

Interesting, interesting question. Did you (or anyone who believes in creationism) ever consider that there might have been a God to our God, and a God to that God, that there is an infinite hierarchy that our finite minds cannot grasp? Just throwing that out.