Neo-cons Answer this part II?

Question

I don't think that most liberals support complete dependance on welfare. They support helping people in need. I am sure that the people on welfare aren't getting rich off of it. It's not a nice way to live. yes, there are some who abuse it. But why get rid of it when it helps so many.

Why do you think that Iraq or any other country for that matter wants to be liberated by us? If they did this whole thing would have been over when sadam was removed. Now we are the dictators and terrorists.

Republicans belive abortion is like murder? fine so don't have one. But why impose laws on other peoples bodys based on your religious beliefs?

Republicans belive gay marrage is wrong? There are lots of things that would could be considered wrong in American culture. why not make laws banning them. What diffrence does it make if two men get married? how is it any of your buisness any way. Shame on you for imposing your religious belief on other people.

Answer 1

I'm not a neocon, but I agree 100% with your outlook.

Answer 2

I'm not a Republican, but I am pretty conservative. Can I still answer?
1. I don't want to get rid of welfare altogether. I think it's helped a lot of people. However, when welfare was first introduced to us, it was NEVER supposed to still be in place seventy years later. Only people living in denial refuse to acknowledge the fact that the welfare system is BROKEN, and badly needs an overhaul.
2. The Iraqis want us to leave, but not until their country is stable. And MORE of them are grateful to us than not. They did want to be liberated, but like a man who's been in prison for more than half his life, they're institutionalized. It's going to take them some time to adjust. Remember, it took us more than a hundred years to get as far as we have, and first we had to fight a civil war.
3. I am against abortion, but NOT because of my religious beliefs. By the time a woman knows she's pregnant, her baby has a heartbeat. And brainwaves. And separate DNA, and the sex is already determined.
Using this standard, abortion is terminating a LIFE, which is MURDER. Plain and simple.
That said, I don't think it would do much good to illegalize abortion, when it's been legal for thirty years. However, I do think it's necessary to restrict it; for example, no more abortions in the third trimester, and only in the second if it's an emergency.
4. Not all Republicans believe that. I'm not a Republican. The issue I have with same-sex marriage is actually apart from my religious beliefs (yes, I am a Christian), believe it or not. MY issue with same-sex marriage is that if it's legalized on a federal level, there's no WAY the conservative South would go along with it. At the same time, if it was legalized on a state level, that wouldn't be fair to the homosexual couple. I mean, honestly, would you like to be able to get married in one state, but have your marriage be invalid in another?
See, whether it was done on a state or a federal level, it still wouldn't work.

One last thing: Remember, not all Republicans are conservatives, and not all conservatives are Republicans.

Answer 3

Please define your terms. What is a NeoCon, exactly?

I'm conservative and until recently considered myself Republican (I'm still a registered Republican). I voted twice for Bush and am still not convinced Kerry would have been better, although I don't like Bush either and HATE how he treats our Constitution.

Do I count as a NeoCon?

If so, here are my answers:

1. I don't want to get rid of welfare. I think there is a line between making sure those who suffer unusually difficult circumstances have what they need and creating a system scum will leach off of. Scum will be scum and will leach. My limit here is that I don't also want to undermine our working class's ability to get OFF of welfare and our school's ability to support upward mobility through quality education by having welfare available to those who are here only as a result of illegal immigration. Yes, I think that applies to the kids, too. Parents are legally responsible for the debts of their kids and I think too many come here illegally and have more kids than they can afford, then make us pay for them. I would have had more kids myself if I thought I could afford them. Welfare was never something I considered.

2. I have no clue if other countries want to be liberated by us, although there were a bunch of Iraqis over here assuring us they wanted to be liberated by us, before we invaded. I think if Saddam was paying $25,000 per suicide bomber to surviving families to encourage terrorism against western interests, we had reason to get rid of him. Then we had an obligation to aid in security, having removed their government.

Given current circumstances, I don't know that our invasion was a good idea in hindsight. Right now I think we are drawing violence there and should seek a way to secure the rights of those who gave us their aid (the Kurds) and otherwise, let the Iraqis vote on a referendum whether we should leave or stay. Then we should follow that vote.

3. I don't know when a person becomes a 'person' whose life deserves the same state protection as any of our lives do. Since we don't believe in slavery, it is hard for me to think a person's body should be bound to another to sustain it, so my thinking starts to coalesce somewhere around 'viability' with an error of margin to the baby's side, since that still leaves a lot of time for the mother to make up her mind.

I don't like it, entirely, but I tend to agree that up to that point it is a moral question I don't feel justified deciding for someone else.

4. I have no opinion on gay marriage. There are states where their entire framework of family law is based on the premise that the purpose of marriage is to have children. I think that fact has to be taken into account. However, there has to be a way to work that in.

Be that as it may, marriage is CLEARLY a states rights issue under our constitution, proposals to limit it at the federal level notwithstanding. I AM conservative (maybe not 'neo') and I believe in limited government.

Merry Christmas.

Answer 4

You are addressing the wrong group. Neocons aren't generally opposed to gay mariage or welfare. Abortion isn't high on the agenda either. Learn your definitions.

Answer 5

since you are premising your questions from a liberal point of view to start with, any reasonable answer by a "conservative" is going to be wrong...why dont you try looking from things in a nuetral point of view and asking questions that dont assume the "liberal" point of view is the correct basis for arguing your point...