Can the US Win the Iraq war? I don't think so...?

Question

Most of the psychos on this board will say nuke the country etc etc....but honestly a respectable nation saying they have come for "freedom" can not do that. Bombs can not spread freedom...What do you guys think??

To the person that says it's not a war...so Vietnam was a "Military Occupation"...I think not. You seem to fall for all the Bush and media lies...

If you don't believe it's a war...then you are an idiot.

Answer 1

A History of American Wars

The mother of all terrorists...to be taken quite literally! For those
of you who want facts and figures and have the intellect to judge 'good' from 'evil' and the courage to know and say out the truth....for the rest, don't bother reading any further!

Ever since the United States Army massacred 300 Lakotas in 1890,
American forces have intervened elsewhere around the globe 100 times.
Indeed the United States has sent troops abroad or militarily struck other countries' territory 216 times since independence from Britain.
Since 1945 the United States has intervened in more than 20 countries throughout the world.

Since World War II, the United States actually dropped bombs on 23 countries. These include:
China 1945-46,
Korea 1950-53,
China 1950-53,
Guatemala 1954,
Indonesia 1958,
Cuba 1959-60,
Guatemala 1960,
Congo 1964,
Peru 1965,
Laos 1964-73,
Vietnam 1961-73,
Cambodia 1969-70,
Guatemala 1967-69,
Grenada 1983,
Lebanon 1984,
Libya 1986,
El Salvador 1980s,
Nicaragua 1980s,
Panama 1989,
Iraq 1991-1999,
Sudan 1998,
Afghanistan 1998,
and Yugoslavia 1999.

Post World War II, the United States has also assisted in over 20 different coups throughout the world, and the CIA was responsible for half a dozen assassinations of political heads of state.

The following is a comprehensive summary of the imperialist strategy of the United States over the span of the past century:

Argentina - 1890 - Troops sent to Buenos Aires to protect business interests.
Chile - 1891 - Marines sent to Chile and clashed with nationalist rebels.
Haiti - 1891 - American troops suppress a revolt by Black workers on United States-claimed Navassa Island.
Hawaii - 1893 - Navy sent to Hawaii to overthrow the independent kingdom - Hawaii annexed by the United States.
Nicaragua - 1894 - Troops occupied Bluefield's, a city on the Caribbean Sea, for a month.
China - 1894-95 - Navy, Army, and Marines landed during the Sino-Japanese War.
Korea - 1894-96 - Troops kept in Seoul during the war.
Panama - 1895 - Army, Navy, and Marines landed in the port city of Corinto.
China - 1894-1900 - Troops occupied China during the Boxer Rebellion.
Philippines - 1898-1910 - Navy and Army troops landed after the Philippines fell during the Spanish-American War, 600,000 Philippinos were killed.
Cuba - 1898-1902 - Troops seized Cuba in the Spanish-American War, the United States still maintains troops at Guantanamo Bay today.
Puerto Rico - 1898 - present - Troops seized Puerto Rico in the Spanish-American War and still occupy Puerto Rico today.
Nicaragua - 1898 - Marines landed at the port of San Juan del Sur..
Samoa - 1899 - Troops landed as a result over the battle for
succession to the throne.
Panama - 1901-14 - Navy supported the revolution when Panama claimed independence from Colombia. American troops have occupied the Canal Zone since 1901 when construction for the canal began.
Honduras - 1903 - Marines landed to intervene during a revolution..
Dominican Rep 1903-04 - Troops landed to protect American interests during a revolution.
Korea - 1904-05 - Marines landed during the Russo-Japanese War.
Cuba - 1906-09 - Troops landed during an election.
Nicaragua - 1907 - Troops landed and a protectorate was set up.
Honduras - 1907 - Marines landed during Honduras' war with Nicaragua.
Panama - 1908 - Marines sent in during Panama's election.
Nicaragua - 1910 - Marines landed for a second time in Bluefields and
Corinto.
Honduras - 1911 - Troops sent in to protect American interests during Honduras' civil war.
China - 1911-41 - Navy and troops sent to China during continuous flare-ups.
Cuba - 1912 - Troops sent in to protect American interests in Havana.
Panama - 1912 - Marines landed during Panama's election.
Honduras - 1912 - Troops sent in to protect American interests.
Nicaragua - 1912-33 - Troops occupied Nicaragua and fought guerrillas during its 20-year civil war.
Mexico - 1913 - Navy evacuated Americans during revolution.
Dominican Rep 1914 - Navy fought with rebels over Santo Domingo.
Mexico - 1914-18 - Navy and troops sent in to intervene against nationalists.
Haiti - 1914-34 - Troops occupied Haiti after a revolution and occupied Haiti for 19 years.
Dominican Rep 1916-24 - Marines occupied the Dominican Republic for eight years.
Cuba - 1917-33 - Troops landed and occupied Cuba for 16 years, Cuba became an economic protectorate.
World War I - 1917-18 - Navy and Army sent to Europe to fight the Axis powers.
Russia - 1918-22 - Navy and troops sent to eastern Russia after the Bolshevik Revolution, Army made five landings.
Honduras - 1919 - Marines sent during Honduras' national elections.
Guatemala - 1920 - Troops occupied Guatemala for two weeks during a
union strike.
Turkey - 1922 - Troops fought nationalists in Smyrna.
China - 1922-27 - Navy and Army troops deployed during a nationalist revolt.
Honduras - 1924-25 - Troops landed twice during a national election.
Panama - 1925 - Troops sent in to put down a general strike.
China - 1927-34 - Marines sent in and stationed for seven years throughout China.
El Salvador - 1932 - Naval warships deployed during the FMLN revolt under Marti.
World War II - 1941-45 - Military fought the Axis powers: Japan, Germany, and Italy.
Yugoslavia - 1946 - Navy deployed off the coast of Yugoslavia in response to the downing of an American plane.
Uruguay - 1947 - Bombers deployed as a show of military force.
Greece - 1947-49 - United States operations insured a victory for the far right in national "elections."
Germany - 1948 - Military deployed in response to the Berlin blockade, the Berlin airlift lasts 444 days.
Philippines - 1948-54 - The CIA directed a civil war against the Philippino Huk revolt.
Puerto Rico - 1950 - Military helped crush an independence rebellion in Ponce.
Korean War - 1951-53 - Military sent in during the war.
Iran - 1953 - The CIA orchestrated the overthrow of democratically elected Mossadegh and restored the Shah to power.
Vietnam - 1954 - The United States offered weapons to the French in the battle against Ho Chi Minh and the Viet Minh.
Guatemala - 1954 - The CIA overthrew the democratically elected Arbenz and placed Colonel Armas in power.
Egypt - 1956 - Marines deployed to evacuate foreigners after Nasser nationalized the Suez Canal.
Lebanon - 1958 - Navy supported an Army occupation of Lebanon during its civil war.
Panama - 1958 - Troops landed after Panamanians demonstrations threatened the Canal Zone.
Vietnam - 1950s-75 - Vietnam War.
Cuba - 1961 - The CIA-directed Bay of Pigs invasions failed to overthrow the Castro government.
Cuba - 1962 - The Navy quarantines Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Laos - 1962 - Military occupied Laos during its civil war against the Pathet Lao guerrillas.
Panama - 1964 - Troops sent in and Panamanians shot while protesting the United States presence in the Canal Zone.
Indonesia - 1965 - The CIA orchestrated a military coup.
Dominican Rep- 1965-66 - Troops deployed during a national election.
Guatemala - 1966-67 - Green Berets sent in.
Cambodia - 1969-75 - Military sent in after the Vietnam War expanded into Cambodia.
Oman - 1970 - Marines landed to direct a possible invasion into Iran.
Laos - 1971-75 - Americans carpet-bomb the countryside during Laos' civil war.
Chile - 1973 - The CIA orchestrated a coup, killing President Allende
who had been popularly elected. The CIA helped to establish a military regime under General Pinochet.
Cambodia - 1975 - Twenty-eight Americans killed in an effort to retrieve the crew of the ayaquez, which had been seized.
Angola - 1976-92 - The CIA backed South African rebels fighting against Marxist Angola.

Iran - 1980 - Americans aborted a rescue attempt to liberate 52 hostages seized in the Teheran embassy.
Libya - 1981 - American fighters shoot down two Libyan fighters.
El Salvador - 1981-92 - The CIA, troops, and advisers aid in El Salvador's war against the FMLN.
Nicaragua - 1981-90 - The CIA and NSC directed the Contra War against the Sandinistas.
Lebanon - 1982-84 - Marines occupied Beirut during Lebanon's civil war, 241 were killed in the American barracks and Reagan "redeployed" the troops to the Mediterranean.
Honduras - 1983-89 - Troops sent in to build bases near the Honduran border.
Grenada - 1983-84 - American invasion overthrew the Maurice Bishop
government.
Iran - 1984 - American fighters shot down two Iranian planes over the Persian Gulf.
Libya - 1986 - American fighters hit targets in and around the capital city of Tripoli.
Bolivia - 1986 - The Army assisted government troops on raids of cocaine areas.
Iran - 1987-88 - The United States intervened on the side of Iraq during the Iran-Iraq War.
Libya - 1989 - Navy shot down two more Libyan jets.
Virgin Islands - 1989 - Troops landed during unrest among Virgin Island peoples.
Philippines - 1989 - Air Force provided air cover for government during coup.
Panama - 1989-90 - 27,000 Americans landed in overthrow of President
Noriega; over 2,000 Panama civilians were killed.
Liberia - 1990 - Troops entered Liberia to evacuate foreigners during civil war.
Saudi Arabia - 1990-91 - American troops sent to Saudi Arabia, which was a staging area in the war against Iraq.
Kuwait - 1991 - Troops sent into Kuwait to turn back Saddam Hussein.
Somalia - 1992-94 - Troops occupied Somalia during civil war.
Bosnia - 1993-95 - Air Force jets bombed "no-fly zone" during civil war in Yugoslavia.
Haiti - 1994-96 - American troops and Navy provided a blockade against Haiti's military government. The CIA restored Aristide to power.
Zaire - 1996-97 - Marines sent into Rwanda Hutus' refugee camps in the area where the Congo revolution began.
Albania - 1997 - Troops deployed during evacuation of foreigners.
Sudan - 1998 - American missiles destroyed a pharmaceutical complex where alleged nerve gas components were manufactured.
Afghanistan - 1998 - Missiles launched towards alleged Afghan terrorist training camps.
Yugoslavia - 1999 - Bombings and missile attacks carried out by the
United States in conjunction with NATO in the 11 week war against Milosevic.
Iraq - 1998-2001 - Missiles launched into Baghdad and other large Iraq cities for four days. American jets enforced "no-fly zone" and continued to hit Iraqi targets since December 1998.

These **100** instances of American military intervention did not include times when the United States:

(1) deployed military police overseas;
(2) mobilized the National Guard;
(3) sent Navy ships off the coast of numerous countries as a show of strength;
(4) sent additional troops to areas where Americans were already stationed;
(5) carried out covert actions where American forces were not under the direct rule of an American command,
(6) used small hostage rescue units;
(7) used American pilots to fly foreign planes;
(8) carried out military training and advisory programs which did not involve direct combat.

U. S. Government Assassination Plots
Following is a list of prominent foreign leaders whose assassination (or planning for same) the United States has been involved in since the end of Second World War. The list does not include several assassinations in various parts of the world carried out by anti-Castro Cubans employed by CIA and headquartered in the United States:

List A: Non-Muslims
1949 - Kim Koo, Korean opposition leader
1950's - CIA/Neo-Nazi hit list of numerous political figures in West Germany
1955 - Jose' Antonio Remon, President of Panama
1950's Chou Enlai, Prime Minister of China, several attempts on his life
1951 - Kim Il Sung, Premiere of North Korea
1950s (mid) - Claro M. Recto, Philippines opposition leader
1955 - Jawhar Lal Nehru, Prime Minister of India
1959 and 1963 - Norodom Sihanouk, leader of Cambodia
1950s-70s - Jose Figueres, President of Costa Rica, two attempts on his life
1961 - Francois "Papa Doc"Duvalier, leader of Haiti
1961 - Patrice Lumumba, Prime Minister of Congo (Zaire)
1961 - Gen. Rafael Trujillo, leader of Dominican Republic
1963 - Ngo Dinh Diem, President of South Vietnam
1960s - Fidel Castro, President of Cuba, more than 15 attempts on his life
1960s - Raul Castro, high official in government of Cuba
1965 - Francisco Caamanao, Dominican Republic opposition leader
1965 - Pierre Ngendandumwe, Prime Minister of Burundi
1965-6 - Charles de Gaulle, President of France
1967 - Che Guevara, Cuban leader
1970 - Salvadore Allende, President of Chile
1970 - General Rene Schneider, Commander-in-Chief of Army, Chile
1970s and 1981 - Gen. Omar Torrijos, leader of Panama
1972 - General Manuel Noriega, Chief of Panama Intelligence
1975 - Mobutu Sese Seko, President of Zaire
1976 - Michael Manley, Prime Minister of Jamaica
1983 - Miguel d'Escoto, Foreign Minister of Nicaragua
1984 - The nine commandantes of the Sandanista National Directorate
1980's - Dr. Gerald Bull, Canadian Ballistics Scientist assassinated by Mossad in Belgium.

Partial List of Muslim Leaders Assassinated or Attempted Assassinations
1950's Sukarno, President of Indonesia
1957 Gamal Abdul Nasser, President of Egypt
1960 Brigadier General, Abdul Karim Kassem, Leader of Iraq
1980-86 Muammar Qaddafi, Leader of Libya, several plots and attempts upon his life
1982 Ayatullah Khomeini, Leader of Iran
1983 General Ahmed Dlimi, Moroccan army Commander
1985 Sheikh Mohammed Hussein Fadllallah, Lebanese Shiite Leader (80 people killed in that attempt)
1991 Saddam Hussein, Leader of Iraq Reference: Blum, William, "KILLING HOPE - U.S. Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II," Appendix III U.S. Government Assassination Plots, page 453,
Common Courage Press, Monroe, Maine 1995. ISBN 1-56751-052-3

Very likely Victims:
April 4, 1979 - Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, Leader of Pakistan, for pursuing making of Nuclear Bomb.
August, 1988. General Ziaul Haq, Military Leader of Pakistan.
1995 - Murtaza Bhutto, Son of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, Anti-American would-be Leader - Pakistan.
March 25, 1975 - King Faisal of Saudi Arabia through his nephew, Saudi Arabia for imposing 1973 Oil Embargo.
August 24, 1999. Mullah Mohammad Omar, in Kandhar, Afghanistan.

A List of Known Assassination Plots
1950's Sukarno, President of Indonesia
1957 Gamal Abdul Nasser, President
2001 Since early this year more than 40 Palestinian leaders assassinated through surrogate Israel. Law of Nature:
Newton's Third Law of Physics: "For every Action, there is an equal and opposite Reaction."
Reaction: Tuesday, September 11, 2001, World Trade Center struck by two planes, and Pentagon, commandered by 19 hijackers of alleged Arab origin, killing more than 5 thousand people.

Answer 2

I did not understand a few things you've mentioned in your question....let's see......

(1) The war is over, it now called "an occupation", when the Govt. was toppled, and all strategic sites eliminated, the WAR was over, you have crippled , listen now, you have crippled a Nation. Now what? the US is also morally crippled, because that country has extremist that wants to run the Govt. and control the people and publically embarass the US, and the US doesn't want to "cut and run" from those Iraqis who wants the US to help. It's truly is a hard way to judge a situation and a President that way, after a overwhelming majority of polititions and citizens supported a response from the effects of 9-11, a lot of Americans were still bitter and angry. And regardless of the intelligence, most Americans already new Bin Laden ( who claimed responsibility for that) was being harbored in Iraq, and was already a most wanted fugitive with the US. Including Hussien snubbing the US and the world, with the UN inspections of nuclear advancements.

(2) You also said "I don't think so", then where have you been all this time, it had already happened, you need to seperate the two I just mentioned. Right now, the US is getting rapped for their military presence there at this time, because #1 they reffer to Bush declaring US victory, and #2 our presence seems to be somewhat in question, in regards to, if they want us there, or not. What everyone is judging is the US "so called" keeps blundering the release of the soverign nation back to its citizens, because of these extremist, placing public pressure on the US to look as if we are terrorist, and also, thinking they can defeat a super power. I don't care want anyone else say from the left or right, there is no question our military is superior than all other countries today, but , if all Americans don't support our military, e.g. by volunteering for service, and believing in our Country, we will see those changes.

Saying that bombs such as Nuclear arsenal power, doesn't has any effect don't make any sense to me, without them our Country would have been invaded and occupied a long time ago. But, I do agree Nuclear warfare should be a very very last option, but, then again not left off the table for persuasion.

Answer 3

A standing Army cannot "police" a civilian population. An Army has one purpose: Kill or injure the enemy in sufficient numbers to compel them to surrender or be eliminated.

Our Army does that better than any other on the planet. Every conflict we enter the numbers are always many times higher for our enemies.

When these methods interact with an occupied local people the automatic reaction in opposition by whatever means possible.

It happened to the Nazi's in WWII. How many Hero Spy vs Nazi stories have been told, or books about the French Resistance.

It has happened to us nearly everywhere we have meddled in the world. Instead of sending aid or protection, we send in our Army and a dictator emerges in the aftermath.

Why should we expect things to end differently in Iraq?

We insist upon pressing forward with the same ridiculous foreign policy, without regard to the person in the Whitehouse.

Sovereign Nation means that they have the RIGHT for self determination and the US/CIA have no legal business trying to corrupt their nation to meet the interests of Corporate America.

Just because we have the biggest gun in the world does not give us the right to violate International laws at our whim.

Soon one may have to join the Military to see the world because we won't be able to travel anywhere.

The plausible denial has lost all of it's plausibility

BRING ALL OF OUR TROOPS HOME NOW!

Answer 4

The US? NO The UN &/or Europe? Maybe. I hear where you are coming from. Bush & Co created a mess we can't win. The longer we stay, the worse it gets. The problem is not winning the war. It isn't possible to win outright anymore, though it once was. And if we just walk out, everybody but the bad guys lose.

Nobody there will trust the US or Britain. Our own people don't so why should they? It may still be possible for other nations or alliances to find a livable solution for all. If so, I hope someone finds it quickly. We're running out of time.

Answer 5

No, for the following reasons.

1. They don't want our form of government.
2. It is a Holy war. Thus the following.
3. Every man there is willing to give his life for his God ( Allah).
4. Our government doesn't want to end the war. Why?
5. There's too much money to be made. Think about it.
a. Civilian defense supply contracts.
b. Food supply contracts.
c. Infrastructure rebuilding contracts.
d. Security contracts.
e. Fuel supply contracts.
f. transportation contracts.
g. Dry goods contracts.
h. etc.
6. The citizens of our country aren't strong enough to stand
up against our leaders anymore.
7. Most of the world has turned a blind eye as far as helping
us with a lost cause.

Answer 6

The war is on terrorism. Iraq is part of that war. We must and will win this war on terror, no matter how long it takes. There is too much at stake in losing. We do not always do everything right, but , it still is better than doing nothing at all.

Answer 7

Nah

Answer 8

With all of the lives lost in the U.S. & Coalition Forces we need to try.

Answer 9

now the time has been changed.........and US never win any war in the world.............

Answer 10

No