I am a very, very ethical person. (Skip all that perspective stuff, I know, thats true, but aside from that) This is a case where I am kinda iffy on something. See, here is what happened. Long story short, some guy was making fun of another smaller guy for being Jewish, picking on him, etc. I stood up for him, and confronted the other guy. Well, he wasn't pleased. So now he and his group like hate me, and he does things like throw rocks at me when teachers aren't looking, stuff like that. I basically plan on waiting for the right moment, situation and such to arise, and to in short beat the living sh-it out of him. What do you think. I'm not one to fight at all, I've never been in a fight my life except when someone stole and I tackled them to stop them.
2006-12-23 20:17:41 · 16 answers · asked by fslcaptain737 4 in Social Science ➔ Psychology
I know the better thing to do would be to 'turn the other cheek' and let it go, but...
2006-12-23 20:21:57 · update #1
I know I'll be punished and am willing to accept the consequences.
2006-12-23 20:37:03 · update #2
First of all there are many ways you can get this solved.. Some will make you look like a mean bad *** or a wimp, or maybe a smart kind guy... All of them all have their goods and downs..
First of all, have you ever heard the phrase, kill one man and terrify a thousand? Well beat the **** out of the ring leader or intimidate him to the point of no return, most likely the others in the group will just back down. I seen this happen to many bullies, usually the people following the group might just help him fight, but most likely they'll be afraid and just back down to you. Good side of this is that no one will pick on you most likely, however you will be kind of considered "frightening" and like or might become the new bully.
Other is make peace, meet the guy and just say stop. Tell him why like you want him to stop and you should stop picking on others.. If you're good with words then you'll mostly be fine, just make him see reality and how he is making other's lives hell (he'll feel bad). Good side to this is that he might change and be more nice, his group might just change also and you'll be considered smart and nice, no blood, no anger... Problem is that he might not change and make fun of you even more for showing signs of "weakness" (in bully world..), and if he change there is always a chance he might revert to his old self from his friends or himself...
Tell a teacher, you might look like a "wimp" but at least you'll be a smart wimp. Usually the bully will know that if he does it again you'll tell and he can get in big trouble. He might tease you more for also showing signs of weakness but you'll tell, he'll get his *** kicked by the teacher and end up bothering some one else... Good side is that you'll have power over him, like with authorities... He might also stop picking on other people too... Bad side is that he might pick on you more, or tease you behind the teachers back, intimidate you to stop telling so he can pick on you more, or the teacher might not listen at all and such.
There are tons of other things you can do, be creative and ADAPT to the situation around you. Don't be afraid to use force and power when necessary and kindness when needed, if you're good with the teachers then you wont get in too big trouble since they know you are good in nature.
Most of my bad side and good sides are best and worse case scenarios, and martial arts won't really help unless you take 1 or 2 step forms since most street fight isn't really martial arts oriented.. Most likely they'll be dirty fights with knives since there is no rule to combat in self defense, if you're going to attack him using martial arts, use a martial art that is proven to work like those Israeli military MA (forgot what it was called)...
If you're going to attack him, prepare your attack, and get him when he is most vulnerable, usually his friends wont help him, they'll be too afraid. Once you beat his ***, get your *** out, let him suck up the beating, don't stay there to risk recovery and get your *** kicked. And don't get in trouble.
If you're going to tell a teacher, TELL IT TO A TEACHER WHO CARES, and a teacher with power... Most teachers will be kind and listen, while others wont believe and just srug you off, and don't tell it to the janitor who can't do anything, tell it to the principal or your home room teacher...
If you're going to make peace, make sure he is willing to make peace. If he isn't then the chances are you'll just get teased more, you just have to be good with words.
Good luck and peace to you..
Remember, school is only temporary, however evil triumphs only because good men don't do anything about it. Use good for good, not evil for good. Oh yeah self defense is only for self defense, not to beat anyone who disagrees with you.
2006-12-23 20:57:44 · answer #1 · answered by Shadowfox 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Well...Is it ethical to beat someone up who tormented another person? If you are having problems with ethics and you are looking for the answer that will make it ethical to go kick some a--.... then you will probably not do it...until you are just fed up with what they are doing. I have a lot of experience when it comes to this. I was not a bully at school...I was a bully beater. Whenever there is an injustice or someone smaller is getting picked on without reason...You might want to give them a thrashing. HOWEVER..dont beat them to a pulp..just get them crying or a tad humiliated dont hurt them permanant. I know thats probably not nessesary to mention to you but when you are giving advice to a younger person to sock em up you dont want to be totally irresponsible. Maybe there is an alternative? What about challenging the bully to a sport or ask the wrestling coach, tell him you want to settle things in a mature manner and could he help you. You must remember that the best situation would be to get the bully to see things on a different level to open his eyes to the fact that everybody has a right to be who they are. If you go beating him up he will no doubt be humiliated (AND will stop throwing rocks) but will he hate jewish people more after that? Because he was humiliated? Will a person suffer in the future maybe more than one because he is trying to get back? Even through adult life...Hell now ive talked myself out of trying to tell you that it is okay. Its not. BUT if you have tried all other avenues...you cant walk around worried about a rock hitting you either...Handle your business. Dont get in trouble and dont be overly cruel when your doing it. And tell him why your doing it and how he could of avoided the whole thing. Heck give him a sock for me too. BYE NOW little brother
2006-12-23 20:42:27 · answer #2 · answered by perrin501 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
It is tempting to want to beat the **** OUT OF THIS DUMBASS *****, but... don't. Fighting doesn't really solve anything. For all we know, what if you fighting him only makes tihngs worse? Don't stoop down to his level. You are so much better than that. If it gets to the point where this person will not stop then notify the authorities. I mean, he is throwing rocks at you for no reason. I'm sorry, but that could potentially turn into something much worse. Don't wait for it to get to that point though. I think you know what the right thing to do is. I can tell by the way you stood up for that Jewish boy. And I know that deep inside you know that fighting is not the answer.
2006-12-23 20:27:00 · answer #3 · answered by Oscar S 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
I'm not the kind to advocate violence. Having said that, I commend you on standing up for someone who couldn't and giving backbone to your principles!
My grandfather was a man of great Irish wisdom. One of the many pearls of wisdom he shared was to never back down from an adversary unless you discover you're the one at fault (or they’re armed, of course) and punch the fellow in the nose if you’re physically challenged. Back when I was in school, this philosophy prevented me from being bullied. You’ll notice only those who refuse to stand their ground, for whatever reason, are those who will be bullied.
You don’t have to win the fight; you just have to land some solid (painful) blows. Sure, you might get your tail kicked, but I guarantee you’ll not be bullied by the same guy, or those who witnessed the defense in the future. Heck, they’ll likely respect you and attempt to be your friend. However, there will certainly be ramifications for standing up for what's right. You might get in trouble with your school administrators, or you could be sued by the kid's parents. There's alway a price either way you go.
Just don’t become the aggressor and never instigate violence, just stand your ground. Firm but fair is the best way to display honor and self respect.
Good luck.
2006-12-23 20:28:39 · answer #4 · answered by Snowdog 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
I've turned the other cheek all 42 tymes around this sun.I've earned the C.B. moniker of Woodstockghandii.I've all-so brokered peace in my life and recieved a broken spleen.Almost bleeding to death(internally),I'm the only person A doctor hasever met to take a taxi to a near-death-encounter.My advice is make such a rukkus one time so as to bring your plight to the afore-front of the teachers that can or will help settle this quandry....THROW ROCKS?/OR APPLES BACK!!!
2006-12-23 20:46:50 · answer #5 · answered by woodstockghandii 1 · 0⤊ 0⤋
depending on where you are and how serious you are about fighting, I would recommend you get their actions on tape/witnesses if they are infact attacking you and this jewish person because of their race, gender, etc, it is a hate crime. Ruining their future forever is worse then the beating you could give them. Besides, if you arent able to defend yourself against multiple attackers and the violence esclates you may be putting your life on the line. On top of that even if you can beat these racist/prejudice people to a pulp, you need to show restraint as you may end up in jail for battery and assault.
Wanting to beat them to a pulp is justified, ethically, morally only when you are defending your life, the aggressors refuse to stop the violence and you cant get someone with official standing to stop it.
2006-12-23 20:56:54 · answer #6 · answered by wildhair 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
You might not need to go that far. If you are capable of beating the bully with confidence, tell him to leave you alone while telling him why you defended the smaller guy (pick on someone your own size ...); and tell him what you intend to do, if he doesn't stop harassing you. One of two things will happen. 1) He will stop, 2) you will have your fight. After the conversation, you will be ethically justified.
2006-12-23 20:32:00 · answer #7 · answered by curly bob 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Don't do anything yet. You're the better man. Hold off until it becomes almost unbearable then snap like a twig. Nothing freaks people out more than when someone unexpectedly snaps.
Start yelling the most taboo things you can think of, and then move on up to deadly threat. Works every time. Usually they just sit there stunned.
2006-12-23 20:26:06 · answer #8 · answered by manbearpig 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Take some aikido classes if they are available in your area. Its a very defensive martial art, using the force and mass of the attacker against him. It is not an aggressive practise.
The reason I suggest this is that if you are going to be in a fight it is better if you have some idea what to do. Secondly, by learning a defensive art, you will not be tempted to mis-apply your knowledge. If you have to use it, it will be in response to their aggression.
Well done for sticking up for the kid. You did the right thing.
2006-12-23 20:35:15 · answer #9 · answered by 13caesars 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
What makes a person convicted of murder walk out of court by proving that it was self defence? What is right and wrong can be argued and twisted as we see fit. If your mind is clear and you choose to let him know that his behaviour is unacceptable, do as you please. No one but you will be the one to answer for it and I'm guessing you will have no regrets. There have been lots of times looking back I wished I had stood up and did something when I saw injustice....now I do it and let the rest of the world watch me with their clean hands and cowardly hearts.
2006-12-23 20:57:30 · answer #10 · answered by Craiova 5 · 0⤊ 0⤋