Broken People III?

Question

In a protracted struggle absent of physical suppression (torture) to engender a different epistemology, can voluntary and rational decision based on pragmatic outcome be justified on the basis of a long term tenable solution?

The struggle is within family units, close friends, elected and unelected governments and the people who elect them.

Taken from present legal correction institutions and non-physical behaviour that are deemed acceptable:

- Stigmatism, Isolation and Exile
- Fines and Jail

COMMENTS

Noted all.

“VERY Sophomoric and Needlessly Difficult to understand.” – Oopaack

Appologises for the contusions. A question neither for the fly by night reader nor nothing to sing about. A context to the questions is definitely useful. Incidentally, blame it on pouring that pitcher jar 114 ways late at night.

'If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth: if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its collision with error.'
- John Stuart Mill, "On Liberty, pp. 18"

Answer 1

All people are brainwashed and all official documents are propaganda.

Language is propaganda, sensations of existence qualify the concept of memory...

Torture is closer to 'normality' than murder. Torture harms more than murder, for the fact that a victim is infected with the propaganda of enemy; whereas a murder victim is less so, their senses are debilitated.

It might seem to make more sense to murder than to talk, however only talking makes any real 'sense' - the concept of 'murder' is alien to what any specification might be.

If a "less of one of two evils" demand is the relevent means for determining the means of 'getting stuff' then surely the death of demand is the real answer, and the only relevent factor stabilising demand is monetary human existence - for in this existence there is many food and many houses and many land and many river and many sea and many space and many many many people who do not do things worth food.

That makes three: two evils and one unspecified. Psychosis is dangerous, therefore language is dangerous, therefore 'unspecified' is a morally beneficial concept - and blatant less than 'evil'. Torture the same damage as language, especially if one considers that language is an imperial torture and confinement. So, torture is a concept closer to two concepts than one. One is definable as a form of war, the other imperialism, which is in turn a form of war. So, is it possible to sue imperial leadership and foundations in the same fashion as some slavery is being challenged?

Or are people more concerned with dictations and writes being edited for their inclusion in an exclusive system?

There is a distinct problem with language in that it functions to exclude the 'truth' instead of realise it - once included in a linguistic cycle then existence is secondary to 'perfection', one might stay waiting for 10 thousand years and not recognise one's inclusion, for it is recognised by others, as the police, or the brainwashing 'dictionary' makers dictate.

The glimpse of truth is shielded by definition, so one does not ever make even a deviant contact with truth when in use of language, one is disconnected: the glimpse one has is psychosis, a hallucinatory function innately affected by all senses and memory. Therefore, language is a major deceptive force in the 'what' one thinks or perceives.

Torture is akin to 'non-existence' being withheld, in that death is withheld - if so, then it is identical to 'truth' being wit held, for language is of physical reality. Thus language is torture, in this case any trials of torturers in criminal courts are symptoms of torture, thus inherently flawed, unless the court is admitted in total hypocrisy, which of course it surely is - why then should normal human beings be subjected to systems of oppression outside such a hypocritic 'oath', for even any oath is utterly fallible in it's gesture toward 'honesty'.

Anyway, this gesture toward deity and the concept of 'life' being a means of 'causing death', which is interestingly the definition of 'killing'. So therefore 'life' = kill. Ah so problems arise in that all nature is ineffable unless one wishes to manifest one's opinion within it and hope to abstract it so much so that it poses an escapable interaction with oneself or admired possession. In order for any justification system one must thus allow the possibility of other dimensions, therefore all people are 'innocent' unless innocent.

So, in this moment is there any no?

Answer 2

I'm Not sure. Let me see if Im reading this right tho, using an example to make sure I am really understanding correctly. Let's say a Family member has a Problem with(a) It not really mattering for the moment what (a) is, Is it Ok for That family member to resist any and all attempts At changing (a) and trying to come up with a solution all parties agree with? I Think that's where you are going with this, and If it is Then...Damn it I don't know..... Like I said In B.p. I Language Is your problem, You come off VERY Sophomoric and Needlessly Difficult to understand. We're Not writing College Papers here, even if you are. Im not saying dumb It down, I'm saying there are probably easier ways to say what you've asked here and You just don't seem to have the Basic Language skills to do it. Advanced ones yes, Basic, No. I'll TRY to give an Answer to B.P. IV if you've made It intelligible, Unlike This one.

Enjoy and Merry Christmas

Uncle Mike

Answer 3

If you believe that torture is limited just to the physical then you are either missing the whole point or playing dumb. Human beings are not house plants; Asians have known this for thousands of years: the whole point of torture is that it affects the mind more then the body. That is what makes torture something more of the mind than of the body. Some can even torture without leaving a mark. That is the point -- to do the evil deed, inflict the damage, leave no mark and get away with it, leaving the victim with a rage they can do nothing about (if they choose to live within acceptable societal mores) with others who can not understand due to a lack of frame of reference. That is the first leg of the journey on the path to this type of "persuation," otherwise known as brainwashing. Once a prolonged and sustained abuse of this type is done with impunity the next step is further humiliation, or forced "helplessness" for the benefit of the victim's "persuaders." Kept unchecked, sadism often enters the picture and there are some famous psych experiments dealing with students on one side or the other, pretending to be prison guards versus their classmates playing the parts of the prisoners that support this very thing I describe. It further doesn't say much for standard human behavior that those in power can and often employ social engineering to get what they want, based on the precepts of experiments done demonstrating obedience to authority like the one made famous by Stanley Milgram. In my own life experience I have seen laws (made for the protection of the People) broken by those abusing such power(s) in a Machievellian "ends-justifies-the-means" mentality that turns the blood cold. If you want to call what you are describing "persuasion" and not torture, then you are a liar because anyone who inflicts pain or harm on another to get what they want is inflicting violence to get what they want, no matter if the damage is visible or not, and stigmatism, isolation and exile are only lesser forms of the same thing. Martyrs in wars (and when you treat another in that kind of abusive manner, make no doubt about it you are waging war upon their individual spirit) spring up from unchecked abuses such as this, and if you can't understand that then you either must need more experience in the world or you need to develop a sense of empathy, looking at the world in human terms instead of just the clinical.

Answer 4

slow down a bit man ! ive barely finished reading "broken people I and now theres a two and three !

Answer 5

Yes! or have you a better solution