Do anyone think liberal unelected judges are oppressing true freedom in the USA?

Question

Im British but have an interest in American history. I believe that liberals are trying to rewrite or misquote the Consitution to make support leftwing ideology and minority interests and suppress the freedom of Christiansto express there beliefs in public like prayer at sporting events . The Founding Fathers where all Christians the idea of seperation of Church and State is based on a misunderstanding of a letter and in my opinion oppresion of Christianity in public is unconsituional and the unelected judges should be confronted and sacked.

Thanks Dr Schmoo you are the only one who answered thats sees through the smokescreen .I dont support a theocracy but true democracy that respects the beliefs and values of the majority of the American people .Yet we have groups like ACLU and the oddly named PEOPLE FOR THE AMERICAN WAY which seems to be on a mission to push religion out of the public sphere and replace it with the values of the minority . The judges are not just misinterpretating the consitution there abusing there position by creating laws which is ursurping the Legisture all to push its minority liberal agenda.

Answer 1

Oh, great. Then we would have loads of fundamentalists running all over the place demanding children be taught fairy tales instead of science.

That's all we need. The most powerful country on earth run by people who are even madder than the people who run it now.

I don't think you've really thought this one through......

Answer 2

I am so glad to hear there is a British person who is still capable of independent thought! Your question is excellent!
The Constitution of the United States, that enemy of liberalism, provided that legislation is to come from the legislative branch, the executive branch is to execute the will of the people within the framework of law, and the judiciary is to judge according to the law. The liberals, in their ignorance of what the words legislation, executive, and judicial mean, have come up with a linguistic smokescreen for judges who legislate rather than adjudicate. That phrase is "judicial activism".
By worming these judicial anti-constitutional agents into the system they are establishing Secular Humanism as the official state religion here in the United States, and their point of view as the only one allowed in the public arena.
There is no such thing as separation of church and state, or, as the liberals see it, the separation of any other faith and state. The founding fathers did not want a specific political entity disguised as a state church being established. Posting the Ten Commandments or saying the word "God" without the word "Damn" immediatly after it is NOT "establishing" a state church. It is amazing how they are forcing their intolerance on other as "tolerance".
One thing I have noticed about liberals, for the most part they dont establish anything. Most of the universities, hospitals, charities, etc were established by Christians. It is later that liberals take these institutions over because they are not handicapped by scruples.
I can say this stuff because I was once a liberal, thoroughly indoctrinated in the so-called public education system. I was, however, able to retain enough mental ability to see that the whole liberal house of cards would not remain standing in the wind of reality.
Hope you do well, and keep thinking!

Answer 3

Everyone seems to freely use the term "liberal" and "conservative" without considering its changing meaning over the years. The Founding Fathers themselves were almost all "liberals," in that they favored relative political freedom, economic freedom, elected but small government, and so on.

The Founders were also not "all Christians," somehow this gets repeated again and again even though it is blatantly false. Many were deists, some basically atheist. The Declaration of Independence and Common Sense were both written by people (Jefferson and Thomas Paine) who were either deists or atheists.

Seperation of Church and State was built into the foundations of our government because the Founders had seen the havoc religious wars had wrought in Europe, and didn't want to see it repeated in the new nation.

Somehow the idea has also been popularized that Christianity is somehow being "oppressed" in this country. The question here even says "oppression of Christianity in public." This is idiotic. It is the predominant religion in this country, and the fact that sometimes, people fight Nativity displays on public property, or try to get stores to say "Happy Holidays" doesn't mean Christianity is "oppressed." It simply means that it is not receiving a privaledged place in public life - and as far as the stores goes, it just means they don't want to possibly bother some of their customers.

To have freedom of religion and thought, there must not be a perceived government backing for a given faith, or even for faith at all. If I were a Hindu and saw the Ten Commandments inside all public places, and a nativity scene on every public lawn, I would be under the impression that my faith was not welcome here.

Besides, why does everyone feel they need to fight God's battles for him? Will it really bother God if you don't put an image of his Son in a manger on the lawn? Or if we were to take "In God We Trust" off our money? ('Give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, and unto God that which is God's') Does it offend God when you don't pray for your team to win before the football game - or when we don't force kids to pray in school? Seems many people think a little too much of their own power, and not enough of the God that they worship. He is omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent - does he need a manger display at the Post Office to feel complete?

Supporting seperation of Church and State is not a "liberal" thing, but instead is a basic foundation of this nation.

Also, I am not a liberal, or a conservative. Political parties and affiliations are a continual threat to freedom of thought, and all reasoned discourse.


"When a Religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it so that its Professors are obliged to call for help of the Civil Power, it is a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one."
- Benjamin Franklin (from a letter to Richard Price, October 9, 1780)

"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of... Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all."
- Thomas Paine (The Age of Reason, 1794-1795)

"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution."
- James Madison (Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments, 1785)

"As the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
- (Treaty of Tripoli, 1797 - signed by President John Adams)

Answer 4

Uhh..turn down the Limbaugh for a second, first.

If you'd bothered to read anything written by Franklin, Washington, Jefferson, dozens of other Founding Fathers, you'd realize they're mostly Deist, not Christian. Try paying attention in government next semester, kid.
Separation of Church and State isn't technically a Constitutional idea, just the First amendment guarantee against Congress making laws respecting the establishment of religion. ALL RELIGION IS EQUAL IN THE EYES OF OUR GOVERNMENT. Christianity is no more a founding ideal than Islam or Hinduism for our US, and if you'd bothered to pay attention in history, you might have learned such things.

Answer 5

your question surprises me greatly, as the idea of leftwing ideology being promoted in the us ,is equal to pigs might fly, and may I hastilyy add, that as far as I am concerned, left wing ideology is for the birds. I have never been to America, am unlikely to as I do not know anybody there, but let,s face it, they do roll their sleeves up in big way to help the rest of the world.They helped us out in the war, with soldiers and nylons,and seriously, I am amazed that you believe the judges to be oppressors. Providing those judges are lawyers, they have a duty to dispense the law as they see fit, and as the US would appear to be multicultural now, maybe all people are being look out for, and if you follow our culture ,the football one, you will see the problems we have with religous groups there. I do understand what you mean, and that todays laws are our provision for our grandchildren.

Answer 6

A Judge gives judgements upon the law as it exists. In Common Law systems, he can interpret law (as distinct from statute) and draw his own judgement based on precedent. His judgements are open to challenge by the appeal process. By this process, the judiciary remains free of politics.

If you elect judges, you will open the interpretation of law to bias.