If the Iraq war casualty figure (650,000) is false, then aren't the Saddam death tolls wrong as well?

Question

Both sets of numbers are reported by the same folks. If both are wrong, maybe Saddam was only a little killer like the US, not a big one worthy of war.

Answer 1

because they found the graves and have video footage of the killing of the kurds....

Answer 2

The numbers have to be correlated in the proper ways. The reports of prewar deaths are the result of records and mass graves found and examined. In the case of current war casualty count, even the authors admit that they cannot properly account for the numbers as they reflect actual deaths plus people who are missing and presumed dead. However, those presumed dead may indeed be refugees in other locations. At this point the only accurate number is the one coming from the Iraqi government which is the result of actual casualty counts. When the chaos is complete in Iraq we may finally get an accurate accounting, although I doubt we will ever know with absolute certainty how many have died. The number may be lower than reported, or it may indeed be much greater, but until that time all the numbers are speculation at best. To seize on them and report it as actual fact has no basis in reality and should be considered suspect. Either way it is a war and the unfortunate reality is that people die in wars, many of them are innocent victims of circumstance. The people who like this 650,000 number are not really interested in an honest debate, but rather use the numbers to bash the administration. The evidence of this fact is clear by looking at how they ignore the causes of the deaths and just choose too place all of the blame on the United States.

Michael C: So authoritatively stated and yet it is still utter crap. You should really do better research.
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/27000.htm

Answer 3

Both numbers were collected from interviewing family members and neither can be truly authenticated. They did use statistical methods that should be accurate under normal circumstances but Iraq is far from normal.

And those mass graves so many would like to believe were found filled with Saddam's victims have not been discovered. That is fantasy. We haven't got a clue how many people Saddam killed or were killed by this invasion, just statistical guesses.

Answer 4

Not really the same people in both reports.

The Saddam dead are counted from mass graves- they simply count the skeletons of men, women and children - on the spot, in Iraq

The "Iraq casualty" dead are gross estimates made by leftist gooks who've never set foot out of a Campus. All well, I suppose, but the problem is that they obviously can't add and have no idea how to run a study.

Answer 5

well, especially if you remember rumsfeld shaking saddam's hand and if you remember cheney selling to Saddam during Clinton's presidency, and if you remember Schwarzkopf standing by during the slaughters in southern iraq and the kurdish regions, you may realize there's more that doesn't make sense about this war than the numbers.

Anyway, there's lots of big killers in the world whom we are 'friends' with - that's never been the criterion for war.

And remember, saddam killing his people is not why we went to war. at least not until the downing street memo was revealed. now, we've killed so many of his people and destroyed so much of the country's infrastructure - so what should some country do to us? or is it good to be killed by us?

Answer 6

are you trying to deny Saddam killed all the people in the graves we find daily and the rape rooms and torture chambers? Ofcourse both numbers are probably wrong.... they still cant get the exact number of people killed by hitler which ranges by a million or more and they kept very exact records. But It has been proven that the method Lancet used to get that number was false. there is no denying it and add to the fact that the "insurgents" are among the people you will never get an exact amount of civs dead however if their fighters didnt hide within them then the innocent wouldnt be killed either. add in the fact that there is no way to tell which one is killing the civs since these "freedom fighters" are killing their own people. Its perspective and you have a definatly negative one of your country. thats sad....

Answer 7

Here is some video proof. For some it may be graphic content, for others it is an everyday reality. And this video was prepared before the civil war broke out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R-K3_8NRkk&search=anti%20war%20krieg%20against%20gegen%20iraq%20irak%20peace

Please keep in mind that despite what the media tells you, no Iraqis, including Saddam Hussein, harmed a single American. the Iraqis were the most educated and better behaved population in the ME. If you hate what you see in these videos, won't you please shed a tear for them ?

Answer 8

It's not that the numbers are necessarily wrong (although who knows for sure), but it's how it's reported. The 650,000 includes the deaths resulting from the internal factions, not just from the allied forces, which is hardly ever clarified.

Answer 9

Not the same source. The laughable Johns Hopkins 650,000 was fabricated using selective statistical extrapolation techniques that bear little resemblance to reality.

Of course, liberals' beliefs also bear little resemblance to reality, so they'd naturally be drawn to lies that support their beliefs.

Answer 10

That's a really good point. We have freedom of the press, but the government can limit/control it during wartime, which we are in.

Not to mention that they are trying to scare reporters from going over by mentioning the kidnapping and torture of them.

We're one of the most powerful nations in the world, and proving it by kicking the crap out of another country. We're worse than the terrorists. We ARE the terrorists.

Which takes on a whole other meaning when you look at the conspiracy theory. Search Terror Storm.

(And about the other post, I had to use my old email account because I had written something like this in an email, but I forgot to sign back into this one)

Answer 11

Good job Liberal. You have just tried to make excuses for a genocidal dictator. In a world where people start to believe America is worse than Saddam, the fall of the west has already begun.