Cut and Run is not victory, it is surrender.
2006-12-19 05:47:58 · 12 answers · asked by x 4 in Politics & Government ➔ Politics
Because if they called it surrender, very few people would support them, so like with most everything liberals do, they have to disguise their true beliefs and call them something they are not. Liberals even completely mis-represent their beliefs so they can get elected, and then totally diverge from their campaign rhetoric once they're elected.
Conservatives don't do that, they tell you exactly what they believe, and why.
2006-12-19 05:52:36 · answer #1 · answered by FrederickS 6 · 1⤊ 4⤋
I think what the smartest people on either side of the political aisle want here is the best possible outcome for everyone involved.
No matter how you feel about it, Iraq is a sticky and complicated situation right now.
I think a big part of the problem is that many people are applying the same rules of war that we used in World War 2 to this conflict. "Just stay strong." "Keep fighting those bad guys so we can win and bring our boys home" and so forth.
This isn't the allies versus Nazi Germany. It isn't a clear case of these are the bad guys and these are the good guys. People need to get that through their heads. It's not a matter of we just need to "fight harder and longer" to "win" this thing. We don't even know what we are fighting over there. The country is coming apart at the seams. There are mulitple enemies, Al Qaeda terrorists are one tiny piece of the puzzle. The entire country is at war with itself and we are sitting in the middle like "Duh...uh who do we shoot at?"
Has everyone forgotten Viet Nam and all the history that came AFTER World War II? This is not good versus evil. It's a million shades of gray, we don't even know WHO to fight. So what should we do? Keep sending 21 year old midwestern farm boys into the meatgrinder to die so we can "save face" and act like we know what we are in Iraq to do?
Or do we tell the Iraqis. "Look, um we're sorry. We got rid of Saddam, you're welcome for that. We don't know why you are all going crazy and killing each other now because we were too stupid to actually develop some solid intelligence on your country before we went to war, so uh listen. Try and get a hold of yourselves and run your own country because we can't do it for you. Let us know if you need some advice and we'll give you that."
What's the intelligent thing to do? Stay in Iraq as it descends into a civil war that we have no possible chance of stopping? Or try to wash our hands of this entire mess the best we can and stop pouring our childrens social security money into an unwinnable mid-east Viet Nam nightmare while playing country music and holding up the flag like we are on some noble cause while no one can even tell you what the objectives are and how we are going to acheive them?
Think all that over and tell us what makes sense. What do you do if you and one friend jump into the middle of a gang fight between 25 bloods and crips? Stay and die with them, or "cut and run".
2006-12-19 06:08:52 · answer #2 · answered by Ryan 3 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Whatever happens in Iraq,Bush will call it a "Victory",and everyone knows that.I'm sure the"mission accomplished"banner is ready to be displayed at the proper time.Politicians NEVER admit defeat,it doesn't matter what party they represent,they all just change the wording of things,and their blind supporters agree.The conservatives do this much more than the liberals,that's the way it has been,and will continue until ther's a politician with enough guts to admit they were wrong about anything.
2006-12-19 05:55:27 · answer #3 · answered by festeringhump 4 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Democrats define victory as understanding the most realistic positive outcome and working toward that goal. It's time to recognize that wishful thinking is not good national policy, and conservatives don't have much else to offer the American people.
2006-12-19 05:52:57 · answer #4 · answered by Gerty 4 · 0⤊ 1⤋
No. i'm enormously specific that the Democrats could have favorite to stay in power from the get-flow. If something a Democrat is going to locate themselves making unpopular or politically confusing strikes to objective to repair Bush's screw-ups.
2016-12-11 12:18:24 · answer #5 · answered by deibert 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
and what do you consider victory everyday we create more and more people who hate the usa by staying there... is victory dropping nukes on the entire middle east ...sounds alot like ethnic cleansing to me.....we have acomplished nothing there except to get rid of saddam. we were told we were going after WMDS oops none of those so now years after your president claims mission accomplished we are still there dying for no reason but to save face for your fool in the white house
2006-12-19 05:55:39 · answer #6 · answered by Unfrozen Caveman 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Why do neo-cons define a successful military operation as an invasion without proper troop levels and no post-invasion plan?
Neo-cons are an embarrassment to cons.
2006-12-19 06:00:54 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
They don't. That's how the republicans have convinced you the democrats define victory.
2006-12-19 05:50:52 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 1⤋
What defines victory for the Republicans? I've been waiting three years to hear this question answered. Three years in and the situation is worse than ever.
I'm waiting.
2006-12-19 05:50:16 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 4⤊ 2⤋
Why do cons think they can win a war after it's lost?
2006-12-19 05:49:14 · answer #10 · answered by ? 6 · 2⤊ 2⤋