Do you think there will be a big difference in the crime rate when illegals are kept out?

Question

How much of a difference on the load of the average citizen in terms of taxes because of having to support social service programs like WIC, food stamps and medicaid for anchor babies? How much of a difference in school tax because of the burden to educate these lawbreakers and their children in border states? Does anyone have a site with statistics?

Answer 1

I can only speak for my state. We have had several detailed stories on the cost of illegals. Crime has risen 22% & over a month the percentage of crime by illegals were double the crime by the rest of the state. In our county 12% of our population (the illegals) use 83% of our social servives monies. Our schools have had 2 - $1,000,000 bonds to pay for growing illegal population & hiring of spanish speaking teachers & assistants in just the past 3 years. I do not see how the quality of our life will not improve by forcing illegals to come into country the old fashion way - legally.
My information all came from N&O website, our major newspaper.

Answer 2

I can answer your question--but you aren't going to like the answer. To be gin with, policy in this issue is moving toward implementing a guest worker/amnesty program--and that will almost certainly be the long run policy. This is the case for tworeasons. First, there are simply too many illegal immigrants to realistically deport; second, the cost to our economy--and too you--in the form of higher prices and disruption would be more trouble than it was worth.

Crime rates will go down--primarly because the illegals who are real criminals (drug dealers, etc) won't beable to hide within the immigrant community as well--those who are now illegal will no longer have an incentive to avoid co-operating with authorities. And a variety of other reasons.

As for costs to taxpayers, those will decreas with legal status. The reason is tha tboth illegals and their employers are not paying all of the taxes (eg. payroll taxes) they should. with legal status that will change very quickly.

Historically, this country has always had immigrants--and the majority always start out like the current wave: limited education and skills, taking the lowest paying jobs.. And they've all been the victims of the same sort of sterotyping that Hispanics are now suffering. But in every case, over time they have assimilated into American culture and become productive citizens-. That will be the case here--the signs of this are already very apparent. the only difference in this case is a public policy failure on the part of the federal govenment. When signifigant numbers of immigrants began to appear a couple of decades ago, the feds ignored the issue instead of (asin the past)setting up procedures and regulations to manage the immigrants. The current problem of millions of illegals is a direct of that policy failure--not of any inherant criminality on the part of the immigrants.

Answer 3

I live on the border of Texas and Mexico and we do not have any more crime for our size city than other cities of our size in the U.S. I realize that the politics of illegal Mexican immigrants have exploded in terms of people feeling like Mexican immigrants bring some sort of crime wave, tax burden, "anchor babies", and any negative thing you want to add. From my experience in a 99.9% Hispanic city, this is simply not true. I have never seen so many people work so hard for such little pay. Illegals are employed as mainly domestics, construction workers, and lawn maintenance. At 75 dollars a week, I hardly think they are taking anyone's job here! If you want some statistics, I beg you to come find out what life is like for these immigrants here and see your yourself what a great life it is!

Answer 4

Research on this minimizes the significance of the "anchor baby" issue. Parents of such infants are deported every day, with or without their infant. The Myrna Dick case was an anomaly. (You can Google her.)

In terms of "crime" we need to settle on some definitions. White collar crime costs the average American far more than violent crime: where do you think the fantastic wealth of hedge fund operators is coming from if it's not misuse of power by those managing your pensions?

As your question implies, noncitizens (and new legal immigrants) do not get social services -- only emergency room treatment, which is offered also to tourists and indigent Americans, and has public health implications (you don't want the sick to infect the rest of the population; you don't want American citizens to be born deformed for want of maternity room care; the USA hasn't known fistula cases in a hundred years; they happen in Africa every day).

Food stamps are really a subsidy for farmers and less so for the indigent consumer. An alien will be reported to USCIS the moment she applies for them.

No. When "illegals" are kept out -- if they are kept out -- wages for unskilled labor in the USA will rise; there will be millions of insolvencies of farms and unavailability of labor for certain jobs. The economy will reorient itself, but it will take time, and farm products, including chicken and other meat, will rise substantially in price.

US farm subsidies and the dumping of subsidized corn, sugar, tobacco and cotton in Mexico and Africa have led to much of the rural unemployment there, and the consequent migration of labor to the US and to Europe, respectively. It will be interesting to see what happens as overpopulation, poverty, exclusion and global warming all come together.

And meanwhile, India and China are not quiescent. The new rich and the new industries are using more and more energy. Oil prices will rise.

These issues, I think, are more important than any theoretical crime issues. Undocumented aliens cannot legally drive after their foreign license is no longer recognized in their state of residence (one year at most, often just a few months). At that point they are driving uninsured. My advice is to get lots of uninsured motorist coverage. And, as the Florida DMV guy told me last week when I was there with my daughter: try to live in a state like Florida that lets you stack your policies (3 cars, 3 $100K UM policies, $300K total cover).

Answer 5

If you mean crime in general, yes. The simple act of being here illegally is a crime so if they are kept out then that would be many thousands of people not committing the crime of being here illegally. I doubt it would have much effect on any other types of crime, including violent crime, which is probably what you meant in this question.

Answer 6

So exhaustively sad. And attacking babies? What's an "anchor baby"? (Our own unplanned pregnancies number in the millions, and our own crime far outnumbers any others also.) Perhaps you've been on Earth only a short time.

P.S. Andy (below), thanks for your refreshingly intelligent answer.

Answer 7

http://www.nc-f.org/colorcrime99.pdf


Which are you asking about, welfare or crime rates? Or are you just rolling a rant into one question?

Answer 8

I think there will be a big difference

Answer 9

oh yes there will be let's hope it is soon

Answer 10

no