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I'm sick and tired of this patriotic, nationalistic and fascist crap. I stood through a memorial service today for a young Marine that was killed in Iraq back in April. During this memorial a number of people spoke about the guy and about his sacrifice for the country. How do you justify 'sacrificing' your life for a war which is not only illegal, but is being prosecuted to the extent where the only thing keeping us there is one man's power, and his ego. A recent Marine Corps intelligence report that was leaked said that the war in the al-Anbar province is unwinnable. It said that there was nothing we could do to win the hearts and minds, or the military operations in that area. So I wonder, why are we still there? Democracy is not forced upon people at gunpoint. It's the result of forward thinking individuals who take the initiative and risks to give their fellow countrymen a better way of life.

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2006-12-15 16:13:29 · 13 answers · asked by Anonymous in Politics & Government Politics

When I joined I took an oath. In that oath I swore to protect the Constitution of the United States. I didn't swear to build democracies in countries on the other side of the world under the guise of "national security." I didn't join the military to be part of an Orwellian ("1984") war machine that is in an obligatory war against whoever the state deems the enemy to be so that the populace can be controlled and riled up in a pro-nationalistic frenzy to support any new and oppressive law that will be the key to destroying the enemy. Example given – the Patriot Act. So aptly named, and totally against all that the constitution stands for. President Bush used the reactionary nature of our society to bring our country together and to infuse into the national psyche a need to give up their little-used rights in the hope to make our nation a little safer. The same scare tactics he used to win elections.

2006-12-15 16:14:24 · update #1

He drones on and on about how America and the world would be a less safe place if we weren't killing Iraqis, and that we'd have to fight the terrorists at home if we weren't abroad. In our modern day emotive society this strategy (or strategery?) works, or had worked, up until last month's elections.

My point in this; to show that America was never nationalistic. If anything they were Statalistic (giving their allegiance to the state of their residence). This is shown in the fact that the founders created states with fully capable and independent governments and not provinces that were just a division of the federal government. These men believed that America was a place where imperialistic values would be non-existent.

2006-12-15 16:15:10 · update #2

Where the people trying to make their lives better by working hard, thinking, inventing and using the free market would tie up so much of normal life that imperialistic colonization and the fighting of wars thousands of miles away for interests that are not our own would be avoided. They believed this expansion of power could be left to the European nations, the England, France and Spain of their time. However this recent, and current influx of nationalistic feeling has created an environment where giving up your rights, going to a foreign country to fight a people who did not ask for us to be there, nor did their leader do anything to warrant us being there, and dying would be considered honorable and heroic. I don't believe it anymore. I don't believe it's right for any American to go along with it anymore.

2006-12-15 16:16:05 · update #3

Yes I know that we in the military are bound by the UCMJ and somehow don't fall under the Constitution (the very thing we're suppose to be defending) but sooner or later there is a decision that every American soldier, marine, airmen and seamen makes to allow themselves to be sent to a war that is against every fiber this country was founded on. I know that when April rolls around I will be thinking long and hard on that decision. Even though we in the military are just doing as we're told we still have the moral and ethical obligation to choose to do as we're told, or to say, "No, that isn't right." I believe that if more troopers like me and the professional military, the officers and commanders, start standing up and saying that they won't let themselves or their troops go to this illegal war people will start standing up and realizing what the heck is going on over there.

2006-12-15 16:16:40 · update #4

The sad fact of the matter is that we are not fighting terrorists in Iraq. We are fighting the Iraqi people who feel like a conquered and occupied people. Personally I have a hard time believing that if I was an Iraqi that I wouldn't be doing everything in my power to kill and maim as many Americans as possible. I know that the vast majority of Americans would not be happy with the Canadian government, or any other foreign government, liberating us from the clutches of George W. Bush, even though a large number of us would like that, and forcing us to accept their system of government. Would not millions of Americans rise up and fight back? Would you not rise up to protect and defend your house and your neighborhood if someone invaded your country? But we send thousands of troops to a foreign country to do just that. How is it moral to fight a people who are just trying to defend their homes and families?

2006-12-15 16:17:28 · update #5

Notice I never once used the word homeland in any of this. I have a secondary point I want to bring up now. Never once was the term homeland ever used to describe the country of America until Mr. Bush began the department of homeland security after the 9/11 attacks. Taking a 20th century history class will teach us that the most notable countries in the last century that referred to their country in this way were Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia. Hitler used the term fatherland to drum up support, nationalistic support, for his growing war machine. He used the nationalism he created in the minds of the Germans to justify the sacrifice of their livelihood to build the war machine to get back their power from the oppressive restrictions the English and French had put on them at Versailles. This is the same feeling that has been virulently infecting the American psyche in the last hundred years.

2006-12-15 16:18:29 · update #6

This is the same feeling that consoles a mother after her son is killed in an attempt to prosecute an aggressor's war 10,000 miles away. It's also known as Patriotism these days, but I say, "No more." No more nationalistic inanity, no more passing it off as patriotism. Patriotism is learning, and educating oneself to understand what their country really stands for.

I heard a lot during the memorial service about how the dead Marine did so much good for others and how his helping others was like a little microcosm of America helping because we have the power to do so. Well if we have the power to help people why aren't we helping in Darfur where hundreds of thousands of people have died in the last 10 years. Saddam was convicted and sentenced to death for killing 143 Shiites who conspired to assassinate him.

2006-12-15 16:19:32 · update #7

(I know all you "patriotic" Americans would be calling for the heads of anyone who conspired to assassinate supreme leader Bush). And yet we spend upwards of 1 trillion dollars and nearing 3,000 lives to help these Iraqis when they don't even want us there. Not to mention we don't have the legal justification to be there. I guess we should wait around for the omnipotent W Bush to decide who we should use our superpowerdom to help next. It's about time to throw him and the rest of the fascists out. Moreover it's about time to start educating Americans about their past and history, and letting them know that imperialistic leaders are not what the founders of this great country wanted.

COMMENTS WELCOME

2006-12-15 16:20:29 · update #8

13 answers

He is not alone..I echo his sentiments whole heartily.

please provide a link for those like yupchagee,who can't or will not believe it.

2006-12-15 16:17:26 · answer #1 · answered by dstr 6 · 2 5

He is informed. I am glad to see that there are soldiers who understand exactly what their job is.

However, we are now a police state and we are policing the world. You are right, this is fascism.With the newly signed bill called the Enable Act.; the Bush regime can now declare Martial Law (which we are already beginning to live) when another "terror attack" occurs. I believe it was signed Oct. 6, 2006. Simply said, when there is another terrorist attack (aka created crisis) he will declare martial law and neither congress or the courts can stop him. Americans need to WAKE UP and STAND UP to congress and him to put a stop to these unpatriotic acts!. These "acts" of his are Nazi and criminal! They should all be fired. Or, maybe we should call our congressmen and thank them for ignoring this, looking the other way and tearing up the constitution.

Search alex+jones+martial+law. He has researched and produced many FACTUAL documentaries proving these points. Also, be sure and watch his production Terrorstorm. What you will see and learn is shocking! If every American soldier and police officer over there could see and hear these documentaries; they would demand immediate return to America and fight THIS regime for OUR freedom!

p.s. research the North American Union and the Amero. Has anyone heard this in the mainstream media?

2006-12-16 01:29:12 · answer #2 · answered by no worries 4 · 2 1

whether this is really from a soldier or not it doesn't matter. there probably are some that believe this. but most dont. The fact remains that they sign their name on the line and lose all rights. This is the reason for a VOLUNTEER military. If you are unwilling to do the bidding of your govt dont sign your name on the line. Dont take the money, dont accept the benefits and you wont have to worry about if what you are doing is RIGHT IN YOUR EYES. I feel no sympathy for them. Call me cruel and cold I dont care but they made the choice. Did the conservative military men working under Clinton have to work through the military budget cuts and being sent into Somalia? If you are trying to say because this one letter is written most military agree with it you couldn't be further from the truth. why do I know that? reenlistment's are higher than ever before as well as new enlistments. When you visit the VA hospitals (i have) they say they cant wait to get back. One guy was already in the process of rehabilitation with a prosthetic and he said as soon as he is cleared he will be back. If you continually listen to the media and not what the men on the ground say you will continue to believe what they want you to but the fact is you are mistaken.

2006-12-16 00:32:11 · answer #3 · answered by CaptainObvious 7 · 2 3

We are the reason that most people don't hear the word Democracy, they hear greed and consume, consume, consume…

We've changed the definition with our actions. With less than half the price of the war in Iraq we could have supplied the entire world with safe water, safe reproductive health, and basic immunizations. It would have been a drop in the bucket. Instead we're going to be paying taxes on the entire war for decades to come.

Collon Powell said the war on terror can only be won if we declare a war on poverty. People don't attack those that help them. They don't feel angry toward people that are obviously good.

2006-12-16 06:57:30 · answer #4 · answered by luvwinz 4 · 0 1

David,
I'm also a Vet U.S. Army (R.A.), Viet Nam and I agree with you 100%. These people who think they are "supporting the troops" by blindly following Bush couldn't be more wrong. Good men and women are being killed everyday for NO reason! George Bush is a coward who talks tough while standing, knee deep in the blood of good Americans. Anybody who thinks we're safer now, under Bush, are either grossly misinformed or just plain stupid. Thank you for writing this post!

2006-12-16 01:54:48 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 2 1

Dude... this has been posted on this site numerous times. And for every time this one thing has been posted here I have heard numerous letters, or other messages, speaking the exact opposite. These being from Marines, members of the Army, sailors, members of the (Ch)Air Force (sorry, had too), and face to face by several Navy Seals. I live in the town where the Seals train, I go to Bible Study with quite a few, I know many personally.

2006-12-16 00:21:07 · answer #6 · answered by Jon M 4 · 5 2

Good, one more American has come out of the "coma" that the US has been languishing in for too long and opened his eyes. Let's hope this chain reaction continues.

2006-12-16 01:46:31 · answer #7 · answered by Snarky 2 · 2 1

My comment is your letter writing needs work. Obviously, a letter made up to express political viewpoints. Cheap shot at our real dedicated soldiers.

Also your reading skills could use some work - 1,000 characters mean 1,000 characters not use those & add extra comments to get around rules. Military people are taught the importance of rules maybe enlistment would help.

2006-12-16 00:48:21 · answer #8 · answered by Wolfpacker 6 · 1 4

Yes, I know, my boss who served in Desset Storm and in this war, and who had hoped to retire from the army and who was a drill sargeant in the army, until he got injured in Iraq this 2nd time we went over, hates Bush!!!! He told me that he had access to top secret information that he could not share with me, but just stated, that this war was unnecessary from the beganing.

2006-12-16 00:24:01 · answer #9 · answered by Kissmy b 1 · 2 4

oh... no American soldier out of the hundreds of thousands that we have could possibly think any of these things?

well, I think it's possible, but out of course I'm always weary, as I've seen many posts of many letters for both sides...

but I guess just like real life, you can probably find about anyone anywhere that will think something...

but he raises some interesting points... for sure...

2006-12-16 00:22:51 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 1 5

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