S A Bashers did you know that it was not only SA that had corruption with arms deals?

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We even had the guts to have it investigated and culprits bought to book.Check out http://www.citizen.co.za/index/Article.aspx?pDesc=1,1,22&Type=top&File=061214213203.uhu6qgne.xml and then tell me that we are the most corrupt crime ridden country. UK stops the investigations so as not to damage foreign relations. CRAP. It is about money and as i have said in previous posting the US and UK have the same corruption we have only they sweep it under the carpet. ALF GARNETT your take on this please. What do the brits say about it. Im not there so I dont know the feeling on the street as it were?


PS this is in SA section as we are continually bashhed here about our corruption

VIVA SOUTH AFRICA VIVA

check this out also http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,9294,2-10-1462_2045145,00.html

carakokos read the articles........

thanx motti...............do you here the deafening silence

Brad, good day to you...............i am sitting in my office right now with my house unlocked and unattended............pls dont believe all the sensanional stories you read about or hear about from expats justifying why they left.............i am here.............i have yet to experience all the stuff they mention

and this http://www.citizen.co.za/index/Article.aspx?pDesc=1,1,22&Type=top&File=061216040808.ez2n8iwo.xml


Why is alfie so quiet...........shock to his system

Answer 1

Well done Gunner for sticking up for our country! We live in a great country and people make it sound so much worse than it really is! Thumbs up for the question!

Take care:)

Answer 2

No one is 'bashing' South Africans, but rather what South Africa has become.
Your problem is that you probably haven't seen much of the world outside the AIDS and crime infested cesspool that SA has become under ANC rule, so you have nothing to compare it to.
Thus, you, like many other misguided denialists, believe that men rape babies, murder people for their automobiles, torture entire families and rob and rape with abandon, with little or no fear of police reprisal, everywhere else in the world.
That's just not so.
Speaking for my Queens neighbourhood here in New York, it's so boring and safe, that I often leave my door unlocked when I go to the store. Both of us can't say that, can we?
You're not doing yourself (or anyone else for that matter) any favors by perpetuating this nonsense.
You, my friend, live in what was once a viable Western nation, that has now become very corrupt and very, very dangerous.
My advice to you is to project yourself ten years into the future. If things are this bad now, with no respite in sight, ask yourself what things will look like a decade from now.

Answer 3

What is this nonsense you keep spouting about corruption in the UK being swept under the carpet? I've never heard such total junk.

The media in the Uk are like jack russels when it comes to latching onto the merest sniff of impropriety and are so on the ball that, if there's anything going on, the politician/s involved should know that it's only a case of time before it's all brought out into the open.

The other day I read a news article on iol about the SA deputy president having spent millions on chartering a plane that came from Switzerland to pick them up in SA - fly them to the UK and back - and then return to Switzerland - all without any kind of authorisation. Still, officials said it wasn't the responsibility of the Deputy President or any of her staff! If something like that happened here in the UK there'd be an outcry. If the health secretary advised garlic and beetroot for AIDS, they would be forced to resign due to the public and government outcry. There is nothing here in the UK like the list of SA MPs who all have outstanding legal action against them. I could go on and on.

You are fooling yourself big time if you believe that SA is a pillar of light when it comes to outing corruption and that the UK sweeps it under the carpet. The UK is a true democracy where people are voted for because of their politics and their record - not because of the colour of their skin.

Besides - if being corrupt in terms of arms deals was the biggest of SA's problems, then things would definitely be looking up.

You need to catch a wake up. See a bit of the world.


Gunner - I've read the articles. They're not news to me because I live in the UK and the stories are all over the media. Which is exactly my point.



Gunner - think a little more widely on this one if you're able. Consider the situation in the Middle East - realise that Saudi is the only Western ally - very important to both Britain and the US. Tony Blair has stated publicly that he will take full responsibility for the decision to halt the enquiry (when last did you hear a South African leade saying that?) and, although it may not be ideal - it's probably the most pragmatic decision in the circumstances. To be honest I wouldn't think it impossible that the US had been applying pressure behind the scenes.