No, everyone likes good manners. If you think the "do unto others" rule is passe or weak, then I guess you think being a "gentleman" is weak, also. But all that being a gentleman (or lady) means is knowing how to treat other people, and treating them as you would like to be treated.
And "Happy Bullet" you've obviously been with someone who believes in the "do unto ME, ME, ME..." rule, and neither knew how (or cared) to reciprocate, or even appreciate being treated well. Not all women are like that, and I know several men that ARE (in case you think this is a purely female affliction).
2006-12-13 19:45:10
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answered by wendy g 7
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Who the hell knows anymore?
And this state of affairs is no accident.
Your question has more profound implications than you probably intended it to, not because of what it asks, but because it was asked, and that questions like it are asked so often in this day and age. They weren't a mere 30 or so years ago.
I grew up in the South in another generation, and the stuff we were expected to do actually would annoy Northern women. I mean the whole bit - pushing the chair in when they are sitting down at the table, getting their coats for them and helping them put them on, opening the car door for them. They became habits for all of us, believe it or not. But sooner or later a girl from Brooklyn or something would roll her eyes and laugh at us for it, and it was humiliating and cheesed some men off to the point that they threw the baby out with the bathwater, manners-wise.
And I mention this because this, as a whole, that is what society has done with silly old traditions, and not just those relating to manners. Rolled their eyes and sneered and laughed at the lot of them, and the near social anarchy we all suffer in now was the result.
It wasn't a matter of us not having to worry about appearing to be weak, but when these aforementioned traditions ran head on in to the liberal and feminist imperatives, we had to be REALLY careful about doing anything that implied SHE was weak, no matter how well it was intended. Women would not just laugh at us, they'd get pissed off.
There's a reason people have traditions and codes of behavior or what not. Sure, some of them are just plain silly - perhaps even pretty insulting to certain sensibilities - but about the only alternative to having them, and being taught to abide by them, is, unfortunately, the mess we have now.
And it's not just manners that have come to be viewed as optional. Habits covering other aspects of our behavior have suffered the most severe degradation; like honesty. I've been in business for quite a while, and now it's just about a given that you should do and say what you can profit from and get away with, unconstrained by the truth. Your word is expected to be meaningless, just about, in business and in personal relationships, and, for that matter, marriage vows.
Half of my younger male acquaintances cheat on their wives, and if I even remind them that most of them that, at their wedding, they gave their word not to do that (but even that laughable, archaic tradition is on it's way out), then THEY roll their eyes and laugh at me.
Kids decieve women any way they can to get into their pants and think that is expected, too, and frankly, don't appear to see any wrong in it. A lot of kids have worked for me, and I've talked to them at great length. .
We were taught that was a shitty way to live, that it would make you feel empty and hollow and it would all catch up to you. Imagine that. AND to do some just plain silly and maybe even insulting stuff.
But were also taught that families work out their problems and stay together. That people take responsibility for and live with the consequences of the decisions they make, (even the bad ones), not run away from them.
I don't know of too many people that could look at the manners and general behavior of people today and those that were still the accepted norm as recently as 30 years ago (when I was a punk kid), objectively and say our current media-driven cultural mayhem is an improvement. Some change was certainly warranted, as it always is, but the wholesale dismissal of virtually every code of conduct that had developed over hundreds of years in the West was and still is, an intellectually indefensible thing to have worked actively to bring about.
Kids have to be taught things. Like it or not. And it's helpful to have two parents around to do the teaching. If they aren't, or one or both is generally unavailable, kids have to learn from other sources, and MOST unfortunately, that's typically their similarly unguided friends, books, and in the greatest measure now, the stinking TV set.
I harp on that a lot, but I don't think it can be harped on enough. When the media mutated from a mechinism that accepted more or less that its proper role was transmitting information on culture, ideals, philosophies etc., to one that was allowed and then even depended on to create them, our fate was sealed - in a shitbox.
It, has, for the sake of ad dollars and ratings, given disproportionate weight and power to anything that creates or created controversy, including everything from"Gansta" rap to the hypocritical ranting of pampered sixties liberal activists, and yes, radical feminism.
And now, it is very hard for me to suppress a chuckle when considering a now middle-aged former liberal activist or hard core feminist getting his or her packages knocked out his or her arms on the escalator at the mall by three snot-nosed suburban white kids - wearing ear buds and their pants around their knees that think it's cool to refer to women as "bitches and ho's" - barging into her or him, because in no small measure, they are victims of their own advocacy, and the media's willingness to not just disseminate it, but compound it and extrapolate it.
But I do, my usual wiseass hyperbole and clowning not withstanding, because there is asbsolutely NOTHING funny about it.
But the answer to your question is: Because it's still the RIGHT thing to do.
And I advise as many people as possible to do it, even if you do risk getting sneered at. As long as you meant well, you have no call to be chagrined by that reaction.
2006-12-14 18:06:28
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answer #10
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answered by Anonymous
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