Why are the conservatives so determined to outlaw Gay marriage?

Question

They have no right. I am so sick of them saying that it is in the Bible that one man and one woman only.
Sure, we live in a "Christian" society that promotes Christmas more than Chanukah, but isn't the motto of our founding fathers "Seperation of Church and State"? Didn't they try so hard to prevent exactly what is happening now? Forcing others to your will because YOUR religion says so?
Please tell me I am not the only one who thinks so . . .

Okay, I see the point of you people who actually bothered to provide fact besides just stating your opinion. For that, thank you very much.
But for the condecending ones out there, why be so mean when I asked an honest question?
YES, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but to the man who compared, at least I think he did, homosexuality to pedophiles, there is a difference. It is so DISGUSTING and INSULTING that you COMPARE them! Homosexuality is defined as sexual relations between two members of the same sex, meaning ADULTS. Pedophiles RAPE CHILDREN, at least have the decency to get it right.
Moving on, for those who stated that Civil Unions are okay but Marriage isn't, that they are the same thing? They ARE NOT! Not only do marriages have ONE THOUSAND more legal rights as couples than homosexuals, they are not denied insurance and other aspects of life like the new referendum just passed.
You say that all men are equal, don't make me laugh.
And no, I'm NOT gay.

Answer 1

They don't want to outlaw gay marriage. They want to TALK about it, to insure that the ignorant and bigoted voters are motivated and engaged.

As to why they are so threatened... just look at who all the posers are who talk about how they have to be defended against gay marriage.

The more evangelical and anti-gay, the more likely they are to be closeted gays.

It's a self-loathing thing. Anyone who is firmly heterosexual isn't threatened by gays - how could two men who are interested in gay men, or women who are interested in gay women be a threat to a heterosexual person interested in heterosexuals of the opposite gender? It's only a threat if you're living a lie and are in denial, and the slightest acceptance of homosexuality will push you over the edge and expose the lies and hypocrisy.

Addendum: While I agree that the Founding Fathers did not have a motto of "Separation of Church and State" - it was more a guiding principle - the ignorant poster above who states our original slogan was "In God We Trust" is even farther removed from reality.

That became our national motto in 1956, during the anti-Communism hysteria and paranoia, so unless our Founding Fathers were immortal vampires, they had nothing to do with that.

Answer 2

No, Red, you are not the only person who feels this way. One heartening note though. When Republicans had the chance to add discrimination to the Constitution many of them voted against that amendment. The reason many gave was they felt it should be left up to the states. But, I suspect the real reason is that even politicians are patriotic souls, and being noted in history as the ones to add discrimination to our Constitution was more than most of them could bear.

The ideal of separation of church and state has been repeatedly upheld by the USSC. Those who claim it is not a mainstay of our country are being either deliberately obtuse or deliberately deceptive because it serves their purpose. If the government wanted to start taxing their churches they would cite separation of church and state so fast it would make your head spin. I just wrote my research paper on this subject and so zoned in on your question right away, it's a good one - and one that is never answered satisfactorily by those against gay marriage. They don't have much besides slippery slope arguments and the mistaken idea that the Bible trumps the Constitution in this country. Take heart, the moderates have emerged as the new people to court in this country. The Religious Right has proselytized everyone into a coma for the last six years, have been used shamelessly by Bush, and have more than one scandal by their leaders to address before continuing to preach morality to the rest of us. I think we'll see gay marriage as a commonality in this country inside of 20 years, just a guess.

EDIT: Ignore the nincompoops trying to tell you the founding fathers didn't promote separation of church and state. They need to do some further reading on Jefferson in particular and perhaps take a look at the Treaty of Tripoli. Maybe they can also answer the following question:

Why is it that if the founding fathers intended this to be a Christian nation that they did not create one, but created a democratic republic instead, which severely limited religious interference with the government?

One person who found it necessary to try and make fun of you is wrong themselves. In God We Trust lol? That was added to our money long after the founding fathers were in their graves. Amazing...

Answer 3

You're question wasn't completely reasonable because first of all you don't understand that "conservatives" are not the only people who are interested in "outlawing gay marriage."

First fact: 2/3s of the Democrats in Congress voted in favor of the Defence of Marriage Act in 1996 and Pres. Clinton signed it into law saying that he agrees with the principle that marriage is only between a man and a woman.

Second fact: When the state of Missouri (middle-America in more ways than one) held a referendum on an amendment to the state constitution defining marriage as only between a man and a woman, it passed with 70% of the vote. That referendum was in the August 2004 primary. There were almost 243,000 thousand more people voting in the Democrat primary for Governor in that election than in the Republican primary (847,748 votes in the Dem. primary and 604,757 votes in the Rep. primary). There were 1,055,771 votes in favor of that ballot proposition and 439,529 votes against. Now, if you were to assume that 99.9% of Republican voters voted in favor of it, then you do the math and figure out for yourself how many Democrat voters voted in favor of it too. That ballot proposition even passed in the heavily black wards in the city of St. Louis.

Answer 4

Wow It's been a long time since I have seen this much stupidity in one place. While I am against any government control of marriage, smoking, or religion Separation of church and state was not the motto of the founding fathers in fact the motto that they gave our country was "In God we trust". Yes I find homosexuality to be disgusting the government has no place in the bedroom.

Answer 5

Believe me I am twice a sick of listening to people like you. How can you outlaw what isn't legal in most states. Just because you are gay doesn't give you any more rights.. They are called human rights not gay rights. Sure the bible says its wrong but that isn't why I am against gay marriage. Marriage is between a man and a woman. Period. I am not against a gay couple as long as they don't interfere with my rights. They think they are special and they are not. What you do behind closed doors is your business. They don't have the right to get married. It is not in the constitution. Nobody is saying you cannot be gay. You just cannot get married because by definition marriage is between a man and a woman. We are not forcing our will on anybody, you are forcing your will on us.

Answer 6

You can't "outlaw" something that's not legal, plus, the majority of states that have not made gay marriage legal with the majority being blue states, y'know, non-conservative states. What's that tell you? Tell's me that the majority of democrats are against it. Also, no matter how you look at it, homosexuals are still a small minority in this country. What's the stats? Something like 6% of the overall population. Why should the laws be changed to suit them?

Answer 7

As a conservative I can honestly say all I care about is money and war. Who cares about gay marriage, I dont. Don't change my life one bit. Let it go to referendum, which it did, and let the people decide what they want in their communities. Overwhelmingly it was outlawed, so thats fine. In matters of social concerns let the people decide.

But once again, as a conservative, all I care about is money and war, so don't stereotype

Answer 8

They tend to outlaw anything that scares them. Of great interest are the number of conservatives who either come out, are forced out, or have gay relatives (ala Newt Gingrich and Dick Cheney). It's like they're fighting their own inherent insecurities to the point of overcompensation, and try to banish their own inclinations. That's got to be a pretty miserable existence.

Answer 9

Because they want to be doing what they think the voters like, this is a free world, leave people alone, as long as they are not going around nicking cars and shooting people then its fine by me.

Answer 10

freedom of religion also affords you freedom from religion.... and we don't live in a so-called "christian" society w/ our +50% divorce rate, our love of materialistic items, and the fact that our founding fathers, although brilliant in their formation of our country, also perpetuated the discrimination against women, the decimation of native Americans, and the hypocrisy of slavery in America!!!!!!!

and religious people who both judge others while spewing their religious nonsense..... our neither "christian" nor righteous!!!!!!!