In a baseball game appx 10 years ago, NY Yanks were awarded an extra run in between innings. Cant find details

Question

The umpires conferred at the end of the half inning and announced that the Yankees were to be awarded another run on the board. The play in question possibly involved some of these factors: did runner tag too early? was protest of runner leaving too early upheld? Did runner tagging from third cross plate before third out made elsewhere on the field?

There were a confluence of unusual factors that lead to this confusing ruling.

Don't think it was against the Red Sox. Don't think it involved a play where umpire ruled that runners advance a base. I think it was one of those extremely weird situations where there were 4 outs in the inning and one method had to be discounted. There was definitely a challange to whether a runner left too early, which may have somehow been rendered moot. It was a unique set of factore that lead to the ruling.

I have been using baseball-reference for many years. While it does now have all the boxscores from retroseheet, a boxscore will NOT show the nuanced circumstances required to identify what happened in this particular game. Boxscores don't say "umpires reversed prior ruling after the top of the 6th and awared the Yankess an additional run". That is why I am asking the question here. Hopefully, someone out there will simply remember what game it was and exactly what happened. Then I can look at the boxscore and see what's reflected there.

Mosh - How do you know this is the game in question? Do you remember the game? Where does the boxscore indicate that a run was added to the yankees total well after the inning was over. This may, in fact, be the right game. How did you find this game on retro sheet? The boxscore certainly doesn't indicate a use of the 4 out rule?

Answer 1

I don't remember the exact game and so forth, but I do remember that it involved a runner on third for the Yankees and a catch in foul territory in which the fielder fell into the stands. The umpires forgot to award the runner (or runners) one base. But the catch wasn't the third out (couldn't have been) and the umpires didn't award a run retroactively. The game may have been against the Red Sox. If I remember right, a player or coach told Torre about the mistake and he managed to bring it to the umpires' attention before the next pitch. Otherwise, the umpires would not have been allowed by rule to correct their error.

Answer 2

What I would imagine is if a non-force 3rd out is made, anyone who scored prior to that out in that play, counts. So if a person is tagged out right after another player crosses home, the run counts even though the 3rd out was made. So they would conference a little to make sure he scored before the 3rd out was made. That's my best guess.

Answer 3

http://retrosheet.org/ may have more info. The site has boxscores of most every major league game.

Answer 4

I think the guy didn't touch the plate. And he had to run out and tag it during innings before the ump would allow the game to progress. Its possible. But I am not certain.

Answer 5

check www.baseball-reference.com , if they dont have it, nobody does!

Answer 6

I found it!!! (-: July 1, 1989. On an attempted squeeze bunt by Tolleson in the eighth inning with runners on first and third with one out the ball was popped to catcher, Geren was doubled off at first for the third out but Mike Pagliarulu had already scored. the fourth out rule was ennacted because of there not being an appeal at third base and since this wasn't a force at first, the run counted.

Here's the box score from retrosheet.org

New York Yankees 5, Milwaukee Brewers 1
DayGame Played on Saturday, July 1, 1989 (D) at Yankee Stadium
MIL A 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 - 1 6 1
NY A 2 0 0 0 2 0 0 1 x - 5 10 1
BATTINGMilwaukee Brewers AB R H RBI BB SO PO A
Molitor 3b 4 1 3 1 0 0 1 1
Yount cf 4 0 1 0 0 2 3 0
Sheffield ss 3 0 0 0 1 0 3 4
Brock 1b 2 0 0 0 2 1 7 1
Braggs lf 4 0 0 0 0 1 1 0
Deer rf 4 0 0 0 0 1 4 0
Surhoff c 4 0 2 0 0 1 4 1
Francona dh 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Gantner 2b 4 0 0 0 0 1 0 0
Veres p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1
Fossas p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Aldrich p 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1
Totals 33 1 6 1 3 7 24 9
FIELDING -
DP: 3. Sheffield-Brock-Sheffield, Brock-Sheffield-Brock, Aldrich-Brock.
E: Fossas (1).
BATTING -
HR: Molitor (6,5th inning off Parker 0 on 0 out).
IBB: Brock (3,by Parker).
Team LOB: 8.
New York Yankees AB R H RBI BB SO PO A
Sax 2b 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 6
Polonia lf 3 2 2 1 1 0 1 0
Mattingly 1b 2 1 1 2 1 0 13 1
Hall dh 4 0 0 0 0 1 0 0
Barfield rf 4 0 1 1 0 2 0 0
Pagliarulo 3b 3 1 0 0 0 1 2 2
Geren c 3 0 3 0 1 0 7 0
Tolleson ss 4 0 0 1 0 0 1 4
Kelly cf 3 1 3 0 0 0 2 0
Parker p 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0
Plunk p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Guetterman p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1
Totals 30 5 10 5 3 4 27 14
FIELDING -
DP: 1. Sax-Tolleson-Mattingly-Sax.
E: Barfield (6).
BATTING -
2B: Mattingly (17,off Veres); Kelly (8,off Veres); Polonia (8,off Veres); Geren
(1,off Fossas).
SF: Mattingly (6,off Fossas).
HBP: Pagliarulo (2,by Aldrich).
IBB: Mattingly (9,by Aldrich).
Team LOB: 6.
BASERUNNING -
SB: Kelly (16,2nd base off Aldrich/Surhoff).
PITCHINGMilwaukee Brewers IP H R ER BB SO HR
Veres L(0-1) 4.1 7 4 3 2 3 0
Fossas 1.2 1 0 0 0 0 0
Aldrich 2 2 1 1 1 1 0
Totals 8 10 5 4 3 4 0
New York Yankees IP H R ER BB SO HR
Parker W(3-1) 6.2 6 1 1 2 5 1
Plunk 1.1 0 0 0 1 1 0
Guetterman 1 0 0 0 0 1 0
Totals 9 6 1 1 3 7 1
HBP: Aldrich (1,Pagliarulo).
IBB: Aldrich (2,Mattingly); Parker (1,Brock).
Umpires: Larry Barnett, Dale Ford, John Hirschbeck, Greg Kosc
Time of Game: 2:43 Attendance: 24851
Starting Lineups:

Milwaukee Brewers New York Yankees
1. Molitor 3b Sax 2b
2. Yount cf Polonia lf
3. Sheffield ss Mattingly 1b
4. Brock 1b Hall dh
5. Braggs lf Barfield rf
6. Deer rf Pagliarulo 3b
7. Surhoff c Geren c
8. Francona dh Tolleson ss
9. Gantner 2b Kelly cf
Veres p Parker p

BREWERS 1ST: Molitor singled to left; Debut game for Randy
Veres; Yount reached on an error by Barfield [Molitor to
third, Yount to second]; Sheffield popped to third; Brock was
walked intentionally; Braggs grounded into a double play (second
to shortstop to first) [Brock out at second]; 0 R, 1 H, 1 E, 2
LOB. Brewers 0, Yankees 0.

YANKEES 1ST: Sax grounded out (pitcher to first); Polonia
singled to center; Mattingly doubled to right [Polonia scored];
Hall flied to right; Barfield singled to center [Mattingly
scored]; Pagliarulo was called out on strikes; 2 R, 3 H, 0 E, 1
LOB. Brewers 0, Yankees 2.

BREWERS 2ND: Deer struck out; Surhoff singled to center;
Francona flied to center; Gantner grounded out (first to second
to pitcher); 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Brewers 0, Yankees 2.

YANKEES 2ND: Geren singled to center; Tolleson flied to left;
Kelly singled to center [Geren to second]; Sax grounded into a
double play (shortstop to first) [Kelly out at second]; 0 R, 2
H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Brewers 0, Yankees 2.

BREWERS 3RD: Molitor grounded out (second to first); Yount
singled to shortstop; Sheffield walked [Yount to second]; Brock
grounded out (first unassisted) [Yount to third, Sheffield to
second]; Braggs was called out on strikes; 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 2 LOB.
Brewers 0, Yankees 2.

YANKEES 3RD: Polonia walked; Mattingly grounded into a double
play (first to shortstop to first) [Polonia out at second]; Hall
struck out; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Brewers 0, Yankees 2.

BREWERS 4TH: Deer grounded out (third to first); Surhoff singled
to right; Francona popped to left; Gantner was called out on
strikes; 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Brewers 0, Yankees 2.

YANKEES 4TH: Barfield struck out; Pagliarulo grounded out (first
unassisted); Geren walked; Tolleson forced Geren (shortstop
unassisted); 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Brewers 0, Yankees 2.

BREWERS 5TH: Molitor homered; Yount struck out; Sheffield
grounded out (third to first); Brock was called out on strikes;
1 R, 1 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Brewers 1, Yankees 2.

YANKEES 5TH: Kelly doubled to left; Sax grounded out (shortstop
to first) [Kelly to third]; Polonia doubled to left [Kelly
scored]; FOSSAS REPLACED VERES (PITCHING); Polonia was picked
off second but was safe on an error by Fossas [Polonia to
third]; Mattingly out on a sacrifice fly to center [Polonia
scored (unearned)]; Hall lined to center; 2 R, 2 H, 1 E, 0 LOB.
Brewers 1, Yankees 4.

BREWERS 6TH: Braggs grounded out (shortstop to first); Deer
popped to first; Surhoff grounded out (shortstop to first); 0 R,
0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Brewers 1, Yankees 4.

YANKEES 6TH: Barfield flied to right; Pagliarulo flied to right;
Geren doubled to right; Tolleson flied to right; 0 R, 1 H, 0 E,
1 LOB. Brewers 1, Yankees 4.

BREWERS 7TH: Francona grounded out (shortstop to first); Gantner
grounded out (second to first); Molitor singled to center; PLUNK
REPLACED PARKER (PITCHING); Yount struck out; 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 1
LOB. Brewers 1, Yankees 4.

YANKEES 7TH: ALDRICH REPLACED FOSSAS (PITCHING); Kelly singled
to center; Kelly stole second; Sax grounded out (shortstop to
first) [Kelly to third]; Polonia reached on a fielder's choice
[Kelly out at home (third to catcher to third), Polonia to
second]; Mattingly was walked intentionally; Hall flied to
center; 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 2 LOB. Brewers 1, Yankees 4.

BREWERS 8TH: Sheffield popped to third; Brock walked; Braggs
flied to center; Deer grounded out (second to first); 0 R, 0 H,
0 E, 1 LOB. Brewers 1, Yankees 4.

YANKEES 8TH: Barfield was called out on strikes; Pagliarulo was
hit by a pitch; Geren singled to right [Pagliarulo to third]; On
a bunt Tolleson hit into a double play [Pagliarulo scored (RBI),
Geren out at first (pitcher to first)]; 1 R, 1 H, 0 E, 0 LOB.
Brewers 1, Yankees 5.

BREWERS 9TH: GUETTERMAN REPLACED PLUNK (PITCHING); Surhoff
struck out; Francona grounded out (pitcher to first); Gantner
grounded out (second to first); 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Brewers
1, Yankees 5.

Final Totals R H E LOB
Brewers 1 6 1 8
Yankees 5 10 1 6