aright, me and my girlfriend had this conversation the other day?

Question

aright, me and my girlfriend had this conversation the other day...you know how being gay in todays society is not cool. And you know that it is forbidden in the religious world. So why is the bible saying that all "gays" should be going to hell? god created everybody like how they are...he also says that we should not judge others....so why is god,contradicting hime selfby saying that"gays" should be damn in hell????
one more thing...............Im not gay, this was just a topic me and my girlfriend was arguing about.

Answer 1

The canon of the Bible was not formalized until the Council of Carthage -- when it affirmed a resolution of the synod of Hippo recognizing a group of books drawn together and claimed as divine by Bishop Anathasius. Anathasius did not even coin the word canon until 327 and the Council of Carthage did not formalize the list approved by Hippo until the 390s, and then sent it on to "the Church across the sea" (Rome) for the Pope's approval.

There are no full copies of what is now considered scripture until the 4th century. There are two copies from the 4th century (Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus) together with hundreds of manuscript fragments of various forms (Papyrus and Vellum Manuscripts and Vellum Palimpsests). Overall there are over 5000 copies of at least part of the present canonical Bible that are from the sixth century or earlier. These range from a few verses to whole books, to Bibles that were read in churches. According to Dr. Bart Ehrman, one of the foremost experts in the world on Textual criticism and Textual reconstruction, those manuscripts have between them at least 200,000 differences. Some of those differences are minor, or meaningless -- but some are very important and would change core Christian doctrines like the Virgin birth of our Lord and his divinity -- among others.

One does not need to be an expert to see that the Bible is fiction, and not the Word of God however. Even the American Bible Society explains scriptural accreation as starting with Hebrew tribesmen telling stories around a campfire. That is exactly where the earliest parts of the Bible started -- then it was expanded through midrash and so forth.

Looking at the received texts, the idea of Sola Scriptura becomes evidently ludicrous. The Bible says that the world has corners (Isaiah 11:12) and that it sets on pillars (I Samuel 2:8). It says that God accepted a human sacrifice -- he may have prevented Isaac's, but he allowed a general to sacrifice his own daughter without even a murmur, the text giving tacit support to the idea that having given his word, the man had to kill his child. (Judges 11:30-39). It clearly maintains that genocide is often commanded by God (Joshua 10:40-42 and I Samuel 15: 2, 3 and 8) and that, after killing all the adults in a race, taking the female children as sex slaves was permissible (Numbers 31: 17-18).

The God revealed by the Bible is not only both a liar who doesn't know the natural laws of his own world, and a monster, as shown above -- but he has no real regard, even for his own people, whom he forces into cannibalism (Leviticus 26: 27-29) when he is mad at them; or his priests, whose faces he wipes with dung (Malachi 2:1-3).

It is not only gays and lesbians that are hated by bible-god. This monstrosity also suggests killing kids who eat or drink too much (Deuteronomy 21: 18-21), and says that if he is angry with parents he will kill their children (Leviticus 26:22) and he blames things upon children whose great-great-great grandfathers committed the things being blamed on the kids (Exodus 20: 5).

Putting it in a word, bible-god is a monstrosity, a horrific demiurge of evil. Something that even he admits ( Isaiah 45:7 ) [Furthermore, the word used in Hebrew for evil, the word ra' is widely conceded to mean a number of different things: It can mean "wickedness," "mischief," "bad," "trouble," "hurt," "sore," "affliction," "ill," "adversity," "harm," "grievous," and "sad." So no matter what particular interpretation is given of this word -- it has profoundly negative implications. The idea that god is sovereign over the affairs of man makes this even worse, because no matter what interpretation it has, it indicates that bible-god deliberately does harm.]; evil about which he sometimes changes his mind (Exodus 32:14). What a font of unchanging morality -- that almighty God can decide to kill an entire people, and then be talked out of it by a human servant... Furthermore, it is obvious, if God can change his mind, then even if the Bible were not full of errors and horrors, you could not trust that God had not changed his mind on any other issue in it.

So, yes, I suppose if one wants to take as truth a book that says that beetles have four legs instead of six (Leviticus 11: 21-23) and that rabbits chew their cud [which they do NOT] (Deuteronomy 14:7) and if you are willing to, having accepted it as truth, overlook the fact that bible-god routinely changed his mind (I can show you other instances if you wish) then yeah, I suppose its words would matte on issues such as homosexuality.

I on the other hand, while a Christian (as in Christ follower) am NOT a literalist, and do not think that a book of bronze age myths owing heavily to the Sumerian and Egyptian mythology in the Old Testament and to a collection of pagan faiths, particularly Mithraism in the New Testament, matters at all.

Christianity is centered around love, faith in Christ, and Eucharist. At best the Bible is sacred because of its place in the life of the early church and should be regarded as holy myth -- stress on the myth. And what is a myth? It is fiction. It does not deserve to be followed, and it is certainly not God's word -- not if anyone still believes that God is all powerful, all knowing, and all merciful.

Your question was an excellent one, I hope that helped to answer it. If not, contact me.

Regards,

Reynolds
Schenectady, NY
http://www.rebuff.org
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Answer 2

Gay is not cool in today's society? What about "Queer Eye For the Straight Guy," "Will and Grace," and other programs such as "Queer As Folk" and "The L Word?" Today's society is more accepting of homosexuality than ever. It's forbidden to commit acts of homosexuality, not to be a homosexual. The Bible doesn't say that all gays will go to Hell. Instead, it says that any man or woman who engages in homosexual activities will, if not repentant, burn in Hell. God created everyone equal, but thanks to Adam and Eve, temptation was allowed to run wild on mankind. God isn't contradicting anything, we are merely paying for the wrongs done to Him by our ancestors and for the wrongs we commit to this day.

Hope this answers your question.

Answer 3

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Answer 4

You have raised some good points. Gay people do not go to hell. The bible's statements on homosexuality are taken out of context. When the bible was written, sodomy meant sex that was done for pleasure and not reproductive purposes. This went for both men and women. Lust was a crime since it distracted one from God, and gays were viewed as unreligious since their sex could never create children was therefore classified as "sodomy." Nowadays, though, it's perfectly okay to have sex for pleasure. Even the best Christian woman has the right to pleasurable sex with her husband, not just to pop out one baby after another. That's why married couples use condoms! However, even though the definition of sodomy is no longer "sex for pleasure instead of making children", homosexuals are still unfairly viewed as being sodomites. Forbidding homosexuals would be hypocritical in the modern world we live in.

Answer 5

My husband and I discuss this issue sometimes. I go to church and know all about how it is so wrong and such. However we see that some people really do seem to be born this way. Is this a genetic thing that can be overcome? Is it truly evil? Is there more to it that the bible left out? I don't know the answer. However I have met some really nice gay men and they seem happy. I don't know if it right, but who I am to judge them? If they want to be together that is between them and God. He can take it from there. Peace to all.

Answer 6

Hey Mate!

Well, We Believe that Gayness is an optional matter...

I mean we were brain-washed, I think you can choose bein straight over bein gay.

And if you tell me about gay animals, why did gay animals show up now?? where are they when the other civilizations lived?? Maybe gay animals now used to get their genes manipulated.. Who Knows??

anyway, that was my opinion and i don't mean to be offensive to any gay person, and i'm really sorry if i did

PEACE

Answer 7

God isn't contradicting himself. God never said homosexuality is evil....men did, and men interpret the Bible to their own means.

Live & let live & let God sort it out in the end.

Answer 8

Ok they probably are going to hell beacause they arent saved and you are on your way to hell if you arnt saved being gay is a sin and God cant have sin in heavin cuz he hates it he loves us but hates our sin here is somthing that you should listen to
http://www.wayofthemaster.com/interviewwithgod.shtml