Black Heroes? Erm No!?

Question

I am confused as to why some black people, mainly african americans, are continually claiming people of other races as black people? Prime examples are Jesus, who was an Aramaic Speaking Hebrew, Cleopatra, who was an ethnic Greek, last in line of Ptolemy Dynasty, A couple of early popes, who happened to be born in the Roman province of "Africa" which was actually on the coast of modern Algeria and Libya (where the inhabitants have never been black), and most commonly the ancient Egyptians, of whom we have various mummified bodies, so we know their DNA and appearance was not African(check out pictures of Ramses2, copper coloured straight hair, huge hooked nose), nor dit they speak a language connected in any way to any spoken in sub saharan africa. Ive even heard claims that an ancient Pictish king was actually black, and that my own people the Assyrians were really black, so therefore i couldnt be one! Mind you Simon Bolivar WAS actually black, as was Victor Hugo(well partly).

It is true however that black cultures and famous people have been swept under the carpet on many occasions by historians.

Answer 1

Sometimes we look for heroes in hopes that we can count ourselves as part of that greatness. Africans tended not to be so much about posterity as they were the present. Most were of a different technology and practice in perpetuating records of the past, their technology and methods were not so enduring as found elsewhere. But with the greatness of popular persons, there usually were some enormous failings that don't always get the same press. If folks realized that Julius Caesar was a lot like Rush Limbaugh, they wouldn't have revered him the same. To say that Nero resembles in manner and temperment to Elton John is no surprise, but to compare the Ghanian king that the first Portuguese met with meeting General Patton, would be. The records are scant and obscure, so such fail to gain the popularity of others prominent in our history.

Native Americans have the same problem. Our heroes were noble failures. We can be proud that at times we had the europeans on the ropes, but the europeans kept getting back up and coming back not only for more but with more. The Indians could not withstand the tide.

Answer 2

Are you really Assyrian?

Because the Black Africans were very tribal, the real heroes from their times were very localised, although I am sure that there were some really amazing ones, but will always remain unknown.

Jesus was Arabic/Hebrew and not blonde/blue eyed as we have him portrayed now, Ramses was Arabic-looking and most likely would have either coloured his hair or worn a wig. There is a possibility that some of the Pharaohs were Semitic, but not Ramses. Cleopatra was of part Greek origin. The most possible was The Queen of Sheba, who a strong legend has it was Ethiopian. It is also a rumour that Mary Magdalen was black, but more likely that she was Egyptian.

Cultures need heroes and that's why the Black culture amends some of these to be considered Black. It's not an unknown thing, look at what Hollywood has done to figures from history and how it has changed them to the Californian-White. Most of the true Black Heroes are relatively recent, but worth acknowledging. The likes of Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Mohamed Ali, Bob Marley, Nelson Mandela to name a few. OK not on the same score as Jesus, but it's a start.

Answer 3

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Answer 4

first of all i would like to say your definition of a race ie black people seems rather vague.. to some people the term black people means simply anyone who isn't white/arian.. by this definition most of the above people are black, maybe you will find that these African American people have a different definition of what is black.. i don't think African Americans think Jesus was African American(for obvious reasons) maybe you will find these African American take issues with the distortion of history by the media where on the most part great peoples are represented as being white/arian or white hollywood or whatever.

maybe you should be asking why white people think it's ok to represent great non white people as white.. is there some message they are trying to get across or is it just laziness..

further more if you believe that the native people of ancient Egypt where anything but African then please take a look at google maps, or any other map, then think again.. the appearance of African peoples varies greatly although it seems they don't resemble your stereotyping

and may i commend you on your ability to write complete ignorance so articulately

Answer 5

The closest representatives to the Ancient Egyptians are Copts of whom an example is Boutros Ghali the former UN Secretary General. Didn't look like a black man to me.

Answer 6

They have Shaft, Mr T and every single character Samuel L Jackson has played.

But to answer your question - i.e. real people. There are lots of black heroes, ranging from the Zulu generals who gave us Brits a thrashing to the civil rights leaders like Malcolm X and Martin Luther King, not to mention Rosa Parks and the other less known people who fought for their freedoms.

The problem is that white culture is what has historically controlled the media, even in its earliest forms, and we in our own way have assimilated things to make them white - i.e. making Jesus a white dude with a beard. I suspect that in a sense they are trying to make themselves heard in setting where whites were wrong in the first place.

Personally, I feel that white and black and every other hue of man are just skin pigments, what really matters is what people do and the difference they make to the world

Answer 7

Isn't it about time we all dropped the colour thing and realised we're all the same? It really peeves me off when people need to bring things down to colour(what is that?) if humans came from Africa and the evidence points that way aren't we all relations who should get on? it's cos of segregation that people get bad vibes for each other so I say peace love and let's all get on!":-))
Your as you put it "Pictish" king, were they not before the Celts Scots so could be black or dark skinned or are you going on Mel Gibson in Braveheart?

Answer 8

Are you going to put the same case forward to some white christians who believe Jesus was blonde and blue eyed, when in actual fact, he was born in the middle east, and therefore pretty much looked like an arab? I'm sensing 'erm no!'...


Don't point the finger at one race..!

Answer 9

Fame is a commodity that is often adopted by others when wishing to enhance there own culture according to the early communist doctrines they invented everything from the wheel to penicillin and i have seen literature to that effect . its the same with individuals how many name droppers do you know who claim to have been near or in the company of a film star or lord , or in the case of petty criminals claim to know a notorious criminal , all of them seem to think that it will enhance and lift them to the same level of fame . Sad isn't it

Answer 10

understand we are talking about a race of people that really has not contributed anything to the 21st century.