How do we control 4X4s?

Question

Reading the postings on here, it is obvious that for some strange reason, many people think 4X4s should only be used by farmers. They are under the impression that a 4 wheel drive vehicle should only be used for going off road. What about 4X4s which are no good off road, (BMW X5, Volvo C90, Subaru Imprezza etc)? Who would decide who could have one? And what would be the criteria? It seems to be the only thing is they have 4 wheel drive. If a car is 50% bigger, does half the mpg and has worse emmisions than a car which has 4 wheel drive, that's ok. A 4X4 is HUGE. Park a Suzuki Jimny next to a BMW 7 Series. Now, are you SURE the 4X4 is HUGE? Compare the mpg of the Jimny to a Porche 911. Which one is the gas guzzler. Then of course, we have the '4X4's are designed to be driven off road. Well some are, but by no means all. Some have the ability to go off road. They don't HAVE to. By the same token a Mercedes may have the ability to go 150mph. It doesn't have to, so lets have a bit of sense

Hawk 996 - I'll repeat it slowly - H O W D O W E C O N T R O L 4 x 4 s?

Sorry Michael H, it IS irrational, you say they have bigger engines and use more fuel, they are bigger etc. Many 2 wheel drive cars have bigger engines that use more fuel than is necessary, most commercial vehicles are big and block the road, and most women drivers take up 2 parking spaces any way, my arguement is that having a 4 wheel drive car is up to the owner, and the anti 4X4 lobby NEVER differentiate between a large 4X4 such as a Porche Cayenne and a small one, such a s a Jimny or a saloon such as the Jaguar or Imprezza.

Answer 1

Good question, Ray. Who the hell do these ignorant people think they are? They obviously have little knowledge of cars, and come over as bigots. I bought my car, yes it has 4 wheel drive, I don't go off road, I am a considerate driver, have a normal size penis, feel very comfortable with myself, and accept that I have to pay for the pleasure of owning the best car on the road (Landrover). The government has NOT increased the road tax on 4X4s, he increased it on all cars, 2 or 4 wheel drive of a certain class.
Remember, I and many others subsidise you drivers of smaller cars through higher road tax and fuel tax. I feel no guilt what soever in owning my car, and fully support the pro 4X4 lobby. Get your heads out of the sand.. Just remember, ALL cars pollute the atmosphere, and all are potential weapons.

Answer 2

when people talk of 4x4's they are talking about Chelsea tractors.

They are not talking about utility vehicles like landi 90's, or audis, or other saloon 4 wheel drives.

I dislike x5's ( etc ) because:

they are too high and block my view at junctions and on the road
they take up too much space in carparks or on narrow roads
They often have bigger engines that use more fuel than required and so cause polution.

Nothing thats irrational there.

I'm a farmer, I don't need a 4x4 for normal journeys. I tow hay trailers, livestock trailers and regularly use my 2wd saab in the snow, no problem. So i don't find the arguement that "i tow my horse trailer" as a convincing arguement.

Answer 3

It's simple. It's called prejudice. A pre-judging a group of people based on some criteria. The prejudice is that 4 x 4's should only be used by farmers. What do you think tractors are for?

It's called freedom of choice. Perhaps it even fits under the category of our guaranteed right of the pursuit of happiness granted by the constitution.

Tell the ones saying such things to hush up.

Answer 4

In the 1960's my dad ( A Chevy / Cadillac Dealer in Pa.) drove a Eldorado. I can remember as a little girl, going into a field spotting deer and driving Thur snow 10" deep. He never in 30 year's of owning that dealership drove anything else, and never use snow tire's. When I reached 16, I drove a K20. Those that are serious about 4X4's, and have one, know " how to control " them. WITH THE STEERING WHEEL. GET-R-DONE.

Answer 5

An remember that Audi introduced 4x4 as a saftey aspect to their cars. How many lives have been saved in a wet corner that would have been lost if they where driving their rear wheel drive BMW

Answer 6

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Answer 7

I totally agree mate.
I've got a freelander that's crap off road but only a 2ltr. Also a 2ltr petrol Astra and a 2.6 ltr range rover (for off road use only, old quarries and pits)
The one that uses most fuel is the Astra and has highest emissions too.
LAY OF 4X4'S Blair/Brown!

Answer 8

Well said! Pea brains dont have a clue they just jump on the band waggon!!

Answer 9

i love 4x4's. Will never drive anything else again.

Answer 10

i control mine with the steering wheel and the gas pedal and sometimes the brakes.