dna database?

Question

do you think we should have a national dna database? just think of the resourses that could be saved , faster clear up rates would mean less opportunities for criminals to re offend. the civil liberties argument holds no water...it could be written into the law that dna evidence would only be admissible in certain types of crimes,murder, rape ,extreme violence etc...can anyone come up with a valid reason against it?

santas sack..no i dont think voting should be made compulsory, that is a totally irrelevant statement to make on this issue.

Answer 1

There already is a national DNA database, if you arrested for a recordable offence the police have the power to take your DNA by mouth swabs, it is illegal to refuse to give a sample and it can and will be taken by force, this involves pulling hairs out with the root intact and hurts like hell.

Every sample taken is checked against the exsisting database, in exactly the same way that fingerprints are searched.

Civil liberties groups have opposed the database since its set up, but its there, and its law, the only people that need to worry are those with something to hide. New DNA technology is pretty much as damning evidence as you'll ever get.

For example a man was arrested just after the database was started for drink drive, his DNA sample revealed that he had been wanted for a stranger rape over 20 years previousley in a totally different part of the country. If that isnt justification what is ?

Answer 2

DNA testing for the purposes of identification of an individual is NOT foolproof, perfect or definite.

It's based upon the probability that a sample of DNA came from one particular and specific person. And there is therefore room for error.

That means innocent people being charged and, in the absence of any other persuasive evidence, even convicted of an offence.

So although justice may very well be seen to have been done, it has not necessarily been done in actuality due to the extent of flaws.

To date, we remain scientifically too primitive to ensure beyond ALL doubt that a remote sample (for example, found at the scene of a crime) came from only one person.

Answer 3

Heel prick test on babies? makes u wonder eh?

I have no objections to a DNA database, for the reasons you have already stated.

I object totally to us having to carry it around with us on an identity card along with our fingerprints etc. It is only a matter of time. This is a form of control, hence the civil liberties arguament.

collecting needed information for safety is one thing, asking us all to live in a prison cell for our own safety is another, for we would be locking out the criminal, but letting the government lock us in.

Answer 4

I think in principle it is a good idea. However I worry about the security of sensitive information that is being held about me.

For example, supposing my DNA reveals that I have Huntingdon's disease, and am unlikely to live past 50 (and I don't know it yet). Supposing that information is passed on to other agencies, or the insurance industry. Supposing I then attempt to buy life insurance. How successful do you think I would be? And how fair is this?

This is only one example that springs to mind. Given the problems with information security, hacking, and general government ineptness, how much do we really trust them with such sensitive information?

Answer 5

if it wasnt going to be used against the people then yeh but all ill do is show you a few of the implementaion.
the fact that everything we are doing and will be doing in the near future will be documented automatically in your own personal profile on the central government database .Early next year they are going to be puting everyones medical info on the database ,do people realise this?.
it starts with ID cards then its taking "dna" with out consent were all suspects,then face recognition cameras on every corner tracing your every move and constantly adding to your profile in the government central data base ,then its biometric finger scanning everytime you buy everything everywhere you go eventually turning us into a cashless society in which you use your finger to pay for everything all numbers ,being randomly stopped on the street and being asked to place your finger on there machine being tested in england and wales at the min ,all info going into your profile .
at this point i hear people say ive got nothing to hide .then they want retina scans everytime you enter any building all still adding to your profile and face recognition cameras are not enougth they want to inject a sat nav chip in your arm the size of a tic tac how long before you have no choice in the matter of having it done because the system does not work if all are not part of it .sounds science fiction yet all science fact the micro chip was made by M.I.T and has been implanted on over 100 people this is an rfid chip yet sat technology exists,retina scan technology has been created ,biometric finger scanning yet not hooked up to the governments data base ,is being used in many school librarys and cafeterias to precondition this generation,its normal,the guinea pigs if you will ,and face recognition in early stages in the public is at the right standard to be implemented as part of the new world orders way of enslaving us. when it happens and you dont want to be part of this society you have to way up if you want to live in the wilderness or go along with being enslaved .this is gonna happen in years not decades.and all ive said isnt even half of it click on this link http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-4839556520925774502&q=suspect+nation its a documentary that was on channel 4 last week ,this programme only really tells half the story yet if you dont know anything about this ,its eye opening stuff.

if you want to go further and realise why there actually doing this click on this link
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=786048453686176230&q=terrorstorm

Answer 6

Because I'm innocent! Doesn't that count for anything? If I'm not suspected of any wrong doing why should I be treated like a potential criminal? Why in hell should I place my trust (voting for example) in the Government and its agents when they don't trust me? Now I bet you're going to argue that voting should be made compulsory as well.

Answer 7

I'm sure there is already a database. As said before it's an illegal system but invaluable to our intelligence services.

Answer 8

I would be for it under the reasons you described, but you are going to get those who will claim that their civil rights will trump any advantage that the database has to offer.

Answer 9

I imagine that there already is one but it remains secret as it is porbably illegal without some House of Commons bill being passed.

I am quite sure the Government is already keeping a good track on us all.

Answer 10

Isn't this guilty until proven innocent? Doesn't this invalidate the principles of British justice altogether?