Anybody else see Iraq as a Catch 22?

Question

We leave Iraq now, odds are it'll collapse. It'll also be weak to invasion from REAL terrorist threats. If we don't, the already unstable Iraq will continue to deteriorate into full-on civil war. Not to mention that with N. Korea as a possible agressor in the midst, and Osama and his buddies still on the loose, we can't afford to not have protection.

Ideas? Comments?

Answer 1

The fact of the matter is 150,000 or even 200,000 troops cannot control an ethnically fractured country of 25,000,000 with brute force and instigators/terrorists running across the borders to no end backed by hostile neighpors.

Iraq is not the WWF. Getting "tough" and acting like the Gestapo will only make matters worse. A wise man once said "you break it, you own it". So now it's broken and we own it.

The study group is a step in the right direction. If only for the simple reason that our current direction is failing.

If for any other reason, bringing in other countries and the U.N. will help to lessen our responsibilities/liabilities in the region. And we have to come to grips with the fact that what ever Iraq becomes, it's not going be the rosy outcome that helped sell the invasion.

We'll be lucky if they end up with a Saddam "lite" and not an extremist theocracy like Iran.

It's beyond the "we told you so" stage because this is getting worse than anyone expected. Nobody considered the sectarian violence in the onset. Even people like me, who were against the invasion.

Answer 2

We never should have been there in the 1st place, but since we are, we need to stay and get the job done. I'm a member of the Vietnam Era, had friends to went to Vietnam; one of the things that bothered them most was they weren't allowed to "win". We went to Vietnam, fought, then just pulled out and left the South Vietnamese people to the mercy of the Viet Cong; that's why there were so many boat people escaping in the 70's and 80's, because of the terrible oppression. Unfortunately, the Bush Administration never took into account the total difference in culture between the Western world and Arab countries. There was never any real common ground, just a perception that we (USA) could do anything.

Answer 3

Finally, someone else with a clear picture of the situation in Iraq. The sectarian violence can only slowed, there will still be sectarian conflict as there always has been. The Kurds in northern iraq are able to have establish a rule of law on their own in their areas of iraq but the Shia and Sunni and most of the rest of the muslim world seem to hate them. I would be more concerned with Iran having nukes than north korea. Iran is not politcially isolated since they are supplying oil to much of europe and russia. North Korea has political relations with China only and I think that Japan would hit North Korea before they had a reliable nuke.

Answer 4

Iraq like Vietnam is a no win situation for the US. Either way we do it they lose. I agree with you 100%. It should have been handled differently. The Iraqi Government should have been made to take charge faster and with a stronger hand and the US Military should have taken a less conspicuous roll. The Government knew that the US Military was in the for ground and acted like taking charge and a secondary priority. We leave and they are apt to be taken over by one of there neighbors. If we stay the violent killing of innocent people is going to continue. You are right. Lose Lose situation.

Answer 5

Do any one realize that Saddam Hussein was the only Secular Arab among these Oil Monkeys.He Educated every one who wanted to and gave equal rights to women [Some thing extra rare or impossible in those countries.It was the personal vendetta I think that took us up to there.Only time will tell.Yes you are right that it is a catch 22 Situation but then why we still insist empowering the Shite Clerics?Trust me you cannot drink out of a dry well.Leave aside the 22 thing.V.GOOD QUESTION INDEED Keep it up.

Answer 6

Oh it really is quite some thing! you want to rigidity about the risk free those who're going to be killed if we leave as a results of our meddling? What about those who've already been massacred because we would have loved to grant them "democracy" and "freedom"? Now we are going to guard them from genocide? have not we done sufficient to those human beings? by staying we in common words proceed to improve the killing, violence, and different complications. there is no longer some thing the U. S. can do for the Iraqi human beings except get out and leave them thoroughly on my own. If genocide takes position in Iraq, you may might want to settle for that as yet another effect of this mess we created, perchance next time your gov't tells you a narrative you is definitely no longer so quick to help it. If the concept-about genocide quite bothers you, you'll do some thing to dodge it from occurring back. yet we are cowards and this can by no skill ensue on the present time in age. with a view to also preclude atrocities to different countries interior the destiny we opt to get over our little idealistic selves that we predict of all of us understand what's perfect for the international, highly at the same time as our own united states is an finished catastrophe. that is why we are and could be met with such resistance.

Answer 7

Is this a Catch 22? Sure, in the same way as the question. Without clearly stating the objective anything can be viewed as a Catch 22. Long story short: life is messy, and there is not always black and white. Peace

Answer 8

The whole thing is going downhill which unfortunitly we can do little to prevent or stop. Puting as much politics out of this as possible, until the Shite and Sunis decide that living in peace is better then blowing eachother up then there will be little peace in the heavily populated areas of Iraq. As far as i can tell the best thing to do is adopt and hugely supportive roll and allow the Iraqi police/army to take care of their own country with tatics and possible weapons provided by us.

Answer 9

I agree 100%. As sad as it is to say, I think Iraq is in a much worse situation today than it was when Saddam was in power. Not to mention the fact that we have fueled anti-American sentiment by going there in the first place. There are going to be terrorists lining up to take out the "evil American aggressors". It is indeed a no-win situation.

Answer 10

WE need to stay in Iraq for a base to go after the rest of the terrorist in the middle east if we are attacked again. Remember Turkey and others would not allow us to launch from their bases*