If "God" created everything, and there was no day, no night, no earth..then what exactly did he come INTO? and

Question

where did the materials come from?

This goes to our ingrained "cause and effect" idea. We all seem to think everything has a cause and effect, even going as far back as to "what caused the creation of the world?"...but is it really infinite regress, stopping with "God"? If God just appeared, what made God? OR..if you believe in the big bang theory, where did that first atom or living cell come from? And if "God" just appeared into nothingness, Him even creating "light" and "dark" then did he come INTO nothingness, or was nothingness here first? Did that nothingness "exist" before God?

I do NOT want biblical justification! That is THEOLOGICAL and not PHILOSOPHICAL!! I'm asking from a logical/philosophical perspective. It's like the "which came first" paradox. Did (and if) God came into nothingness and created EVERYTHING...does that mean "nothingness" existed before "God"?

I DO NOT want a religious answer!! That's what I just SAID! (geez this is making my brain hurt).

Answer 1

According to the "current" scientific theory, the answer to the question that you're really asking is "the singularity". This is what the "nothingness" that you refer to is now called. Logically, the big bang theory has "holes". As you state, if everything is "cause and effect", we have to ask where the "nothingness" came from. In its simplest form, what came first, the chicken or the egg? The "fine" line between science and philosophy becomes a busy freeway. Science can explain the origin of planets, stars, galaxies; the universe. But, that is as far back as they can go. If we equate "God" with the Beginning of Everything, we logically have to ask; what created God? Where does it end, or rather, begin? This is where science "gives up". The "big bang" theory is convenient, but it doesn't explain the "nothingness" that HAD to have been here before it. We now know that every galaxy has a black hole. According to science, the universe is expanding. Perhaps the "big bang" was the "white hole" of OUR universe. Everything present in our universe is the result of what came through that "white hole" or "big bang". However, if that is true, what created the "black hole" that OUR universe was born from? It is possible that it is a never ending cycle that simply "IS". The matter and energy that is transported through all the black holes in all the galaxies in the universe has to come out somewhere. Could it be that it is all "recycled"? The "white holes" where all the matter and energy is delivered into must land somewhere. That would then be the "storage bin" which eventually funnels everything back into our universe, thus completing the cycle and explaining the appearance of an "expanding" universe. The wonderful thing about both philosophy and science is that almost anything is possible, given the right set of circumstances. And once again, we ask... what "started" it all? "God"? Maybe. "Nothing". Who knows? Was there ever really a "Beginning"? Will we ever be able to truly understand the answer? Thanks for the thoughts.

Answer 2

Steadfast 1, you do not need the bible to prove God. As a matter of fact, you should completely take it out of the equation. Think philosophically and logically.
I don't think it's possible to answer this kind of question in a short summary. I suggest reading Thomas Aquinas' Summa Theologiae. Yes, I know you said you did not want a Theologically answer, but I think you meant that you don't want people pointing to the bible and saying "see, it's right here in Genisis". After all, Theology is the study of God, so how can you ask a question about God and say you don't want an answer about God?
Anyway, Summa Theologiae is systematic and logical. It is considered by many the greatest theological writing of all time. Don't be put off by the fact that Thomas is so revered. He held many beliefs that were contrary to the church, though he was very faithful. He was a free thinker. One of the greatest free thinkers of all time. He colored outside the lines.

He believed God was The Uncaused Cause - i.e. God does not have a beginning or an end, he simply is. So before anything else there was/is God.

Answer 3

If you are a believer of God, then you are correct. The whole thing revolves around God. For this to work God would have had to exist first and before everything. Before “dark”, “nothingness”, “atoms”, and all the concepts there of. If you can picture nothing, not even emptiness which is normally associated with nothing. If you can picture the absence of color even excluding black. If you can imagine just nothing and add God, you will have what existed for what was before time came into being. Now picture that for eternity, with out time, and then imagine that suddenly every thing you know comes into being. Just like that. That’s what happened. There is no chicken or egg; only God and then later, everything else.

Answer 4

Every single thing we as humans see and know of HAS a beginning. But that patter cannot go for infinity. There has to be SOMETHING that never had a beginning. The stupid human brain can't comprehend this, so thats why comprehending God as having ALWAYS existed is so hard to do. But its also the ONLY thing that makes sense. For if something made God or God appeared from something, then what made the thing or instance that made God, then what made the thing that made the thing that made God, and what made the thing that made the thing that made the thing that made God, etc. So God was ALWAYS there, and EVERYTHING past him is what had a beginning. Its easy and nearly impossible to understand at the same time.

Answer 5

well i dunno the answer, but i know no one on this earth can give you that answer either.

but if you ask me, however and whyever the universe was created, it doesn't matter. what matters is we're all here. over 6 billion people and many more animals and still many more micro beings too small to see with the naked eye. and that's just on this planet. the world is littered with too many amazing things for it to just be accepted as coincidence, so it's only natural people still believe in creation.

but how does one follow in the belief of creation when no one has the neccessary facts to support their belief? when all else fails, you just gotta have faith. it's not so hard... we do it everyday not just with godly issues. we have faith that gravity will keep our bodies connected to the ground. when we go to bed each night, we are already knowing of the day to come. even you have faith that when an action is made, a reaction is not far behind. none of these ideas can be proven directly, they can only be witnessed and accounted for. so believe or disbelieve accordingly.

i know that's a cop out of an answer, but it's the only truth you'll find when you ask a human being that kind of question. that is unless god answers your question or some super alien race does...

Answer 6

first off, if somebody answered this question "correctly", what would make it correct? this is the same thing that inspired the chicken or the egg question. the simple fact is that nobody knows the answer to your question and if somebody did, you wouldn't need to ask it.

as for my opinion (due to the fact that all of the answers you're going to get WILL be opinions) Everything had to start somewhere. some believe in a big bang, some believe in evolution, some believe in the biblical explanation. the simple fact is that ALL of these are thories but only one has historical history and evedence. ALL of the bibles prophecies have been fulfilled in one way or another and the others' theories have been "proven" by interpretations of likelyhoods and probabilities off of other theories or weak evedence that the world has been taught since day one in school and forced to accept.

so basically, my simplified answer for this is: For God to know and us to find out.

Answer 7

God is way too big to try and figure out. As humans we only know beginings and ends, we can't fathom eternity or that something always was. He created light from the sun, to light the earth He didn't create "light" for the first time that day. I read His Word and realize there are some things we won't know until we get to heaven. I just know He is a creative and good God.

Answer 8

Genesis 1:1 should answer this for you.

"In the beginning, the LORD GOD made the heavens and the earth."

Also John 1:1

In the beginning was the word, the word was with God and the word was God. HE (meaning Jesus) was with God in the beginning.

God is not created. God is one. God is. He explained himself to Moses this way: I AM WHO I AM. Nothing can't exist, because nothing is nothing. So how could nothing exist before God? Only God can create something from nothing, and that is exactly what He did.

The "Big Bang Theory" therefore, is moot: "pure chance" cannot create anything at all! Something isn't made from nothing, no matter how much time and chance you give it.

Answer 9

here's another interesting thought. God created heaven, earth, plants, animals, and humans in 7 days where did the dinosaurs, neanderthal man, and other pre-historic life fit in? they would have to have existed with man and just excluded from the ark,otherwise their entire existence would have to have taken place between days 1 and 6 and wiped out before Adam and Eve were made.

Answer 10

I believe the answer to your question is quite simple. You see, all of us are physically biomechanically fastened to an elaborate system of neuro brainwave generators. These generators serve three purposes. One is to maintain stability of the vital features of our delicate physical make-up, one is to harvest our biological energy, and the other is to provide us with a perception of living through a perpetual dreamlike state. This dreamlike state, being the only stimulation we have ever known, is flawlessly real to us. While we carry on with our day-to-day lives, our true physical state exists in a completely different realm, controlled by evil machines. These machines are what created man, and it's these very machines that will destroy us all someday....Unless, we fight back.